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Damn. After reading your post and the comments I want to emphasize a few things: - You are being screwed. This has been amply covered. - You are worth your wei

Damn. After reading your post and the comments I want to emphasize a few things: - You are being screwed. This has been amply covered. - You are worth your weight in gold. If you really work 10 hours a day, hang out with your family then work into the late night... you are every CTO/VP of Engineering's wet dream. - You have rights. The law, in many places, is built to protect people like you from exploitative situations like this. Just looking at a glance, it seems like you could - if you so chose - bring this guy to court and walk away with a more equitable amount of compensation [INTERNET CAVEAT MACHINE ALERT: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.] - You deserve better. With your work ethic and your attitude I hope the next group of people you work with give you your dues

datawalke 16y ago
Thank you for the kind words. I think the key to my next situation is making sure the next group of people I work with give me my fair share. I think this falls into what a lot of people experience is the doubt in not knowing what you are worth. In my area typical entry programming positions are at around 35k/yr. I feel my time and experience puts me well past any entry based position. I am always somewhat unsure of exactly where I stand.
- Silhouette 16y ago
  I'm not an expert in your local area, so I won't try to advise you on specific rates. However, your point about time and experience is entirely reasonable: the job you have been doing, apparently quite successfully, sounds like a technical team lead. That is probably about the same as "Senior Software Engineer" in the pay stakes at most businesses, if they're big enough to distinguish the roles. One other point that I haven't seen mentioned is that you don't have to try to fix your entire career in a single jump. There is nothing wrong with taking a respectable job at a respectable pay rate with a decent company as a first step, even if it's not immediately at the level of responsibility you were on before. You'll still get a lot more money and better working conditions. If it's a decent company they'll see your potential and grow your career rapidly anyway. Crucially, you'll also have another group of coworkers to ask for references down the line, if you do decide to move on again in a year or two rather than move up in wherever you go at this point. Don't assume you have to try to jump from an awkward position right up to the manager at Google/Facebook that someone else mentioned all in one go: you probably won't make it, and you'll be ruling out a lot of potentially useful opportunities.
- mike_h 16y ago
  You sure about that 35k? In any region I've ever lived in (midwest, southwest, bay area), entry is more like twice that.

datawalke 16y ago

Thank you for the kind words. I think the key to my next situation is making sure the next group of people I work with give me my fair share. I think this falls into what a lot of people experience is the doubt in not knowing what you are worth. In my area typical entry programming positions are at around 35k/yr. I feel my time and experience puts me well past any entry based position. I am always somewhat unsure of exactly where I stand.

Silhouette 16y ago
I'm not an expert in your local area, so I won't try to advise you on specific rates. However, your point about time and experience is entirely reasonable: the job you have been doing, apparently quite successfully, sounds like a technical team lead. That is probably about the same as "Senior Software Engineer" in the pay stakes at most businesses, if they're big enough to distinguish the roles. One other point that I haven't seen mentioned is that you don't have to try to fix your entire career in a single jump. There is nothing wrong with taking a respectable job at a respectable pay rate with a decent company as a first step, even if it's not immediately at the level of responsibility you were on before. You'll still get a lot more money and better working conditions. If it's a decent company they'll see your potential and grow your career rapidly anyway. Crucially, you'll also have another group of coworkers to ask for references down the line, if you do decide to move on again in a year or two rather than move up in wherever you go at this point. Don't assume you have to try to jump from an awkward position right up to the manager at Google/Facebook that someone else mentioned all in one go: you probably won't make it, and you'll be ruling out a lot of potentially useful opportunities.
mike_h 16y ago
You sure about that 35k? In any region I've ever lived in (midwest, southwest, bay area), entry is more like twice that.