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OK you pronounce "Bejing" with a normal, regular, everyday hard 'j' sound as it's supposed to be pronounced (not some fake exotic sounding airy zzzhhhhhh sound

by natch 9y ago

OK you pronounce "Bejing" with a normal, regular, everyday hard 'j' sound as it's supposed to be pronounced (not some fake exotic sounding airy zzzhhhhhh sound you and everyone else just made up out of thin air) and I promise not to kill or pin any butterflies. I really thought the peeve was going to be about pictures of butterflies on people's mouths (Silence of the Lambs). That bugs me, but I guess with the movie it was supposed to.

woah 9y ago
Do you want it pronounced like "edging" or "aging"?
- Epenthesis 9y ago
  Do you pronounce those differently? Where'd you grow up? In all the English dialects I'm familiar with, those are pronounced the same. Regardless, it's the "j sound" of "James" (as well as of both "edging" and "aging" for those of you who pronounce them the same) and not the "j sound" of "Jaques" (or the "z" sound of "azure"). (For those familiar with IPA, /be.'dʒiɲ/ not /be.'ʒiɲ/)
  - amyjess 9y ago
    If you really want to get pedantic, it should be an unaspirated "ch" (as opposed to q, which is aspirated like "ch" usually is in English). And if you want to get even more pedantic, it's a dual-articulated sound and not a pure postalveolar sound like in English. That is, IPA [t͡ɕ] Edit: And if anyone's curious, there are four sounds in Mandarin that English-speakers will interpret as forms of "ch", varying based on aspiration and point(s) of articulation. In Pinyin, all four have distinct romanizations (which is one advantage Pinyin has over Wade-Giles). Pinyin IPA Articulation Aspirated ch [ʈ͡ʂʰ] postalveolar retroflex Y zh [ʈ͡ʂ] postalveolar retroflex N q [t͡ɕʰ] dual alveolo-palatal Y j [t͡ɕ] dual alveolo-palatal N By contrast, English "ch" is postalveolar but not retroflex, and aspiration depends on context: IPA [t͡ʃʰ] or [t͡ʃ].
    - dghf 9y ago
      Am I correct in my recollection that the sound represented by "b" is actually closer to the unaspirated "p" in words like "spin" and "spot"?
      - amyjess 9y ago
        Indeed you are.
  - kodt 9y ago
    I think he is referring to the "e" not the "j". I don't know IPA but BAY-jing (aging) vs BEH-jing (edging).
    - natch 9y ago
      Well then there's the intonation, so let's call it bay-JING (likewise not IPA, just some characters on the screen).
- natch 9y ago
  The ei sounds like a long a, so it's closer to aging.
- deleted 9y ago
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nthcolumn 9y ago
It was a MOTH! DEATH'S HEAD MOTH! A MOTH! NOT A BUTTERFLY GAAAH! DIDUEVNSEESOTL???? :)
- natch 9y ago
  Lol good point. Nicely peeved out, well done.
  - nthcolumn 9y ago
    I know right? ...mildly surprised someone hasn't pointed out it was a Hawkmoth. Have a picture of a dead one (apparently) http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_640/images/live/p0/2y/t0/p02yt05d.jpg http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_640/images/l...

by natch 9y ago

woah 9y ago

Do you want it pronounced like "edging" or "aging"?

Epenthesis 9y ago
Do you pronounce those differently? Where'd you grow up? In all the English dialects I'm familiar with, those are pronounced the same. Regardless, it's the "j sound" of "James" (as well as of both "edging" and "aging" for those of you who pronounce them the same) and not the "j sound" of "Jaques" (or the "z" sound of "azure"). (For those familiar with IPA, /be.'dʒiɲ/ not /be.'ʒiɲ/)
- amyjess 9y ago
  If you really want to get pedantic, it should be an unaspirated "ch" (as opposed to q, which is aspirated like "ch" usually is in English). And if you want to get even more pedantic, it's a dual-articulated sound and not a pure postalveolar sound like in English. That is, IPA [t͡ɕ] Edit: And if anyone's curious, there are four sounds in Mandarin that English-speakers will interpret as forms of "ch", varying based on aspiration and point(s) of articulation. In Pinyin, all four have distinct romanizations (which is one advantage Pinyin has over Wade-Giles). Pinyin IPA Articulation Aspirated ch [ʈ͡ʂʰ] postalveolar retroflex Y zh [ʈ͡ʂ] postalveolar retroflex N q [t͡ɕʰ] dual alveolo-palatal Y j [t͡ɕ] dual alveolo-palatal N By contrast, English "ch" is postalveolar but not retroflex, and aspiration depends on context: IPA [t͡ʃʰ] or [t͡ʃ].
  - dghf 9y ago
    Am I correct in my recollection that the sound represented by "b" is actually closer to the unaspirated "p" in words like "spin" and "spot"?
    - amyjess 9y ago
      Indeed you are.
- kodt 9y ago
  I think he is referring to the "e" not the "j". I don't know IPA but BAY-jing (aging) vs BEH-jing (edging).
  - natch 9y ago
    Well then there's the intonation, so let's call it bay-JING (likewise not IPA, just some characters on the screen).
natch 9y ago
The ei sounds like a long a, so it's closer to aging.
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nthcolumn 9y ago

It was a MOTH! DEATH'S HEAD MOTH! A MOTH! NOT A BUTTERFLY GAAAH! DIDUEVNSEESOTL???? :)

natch 9y ago
Lol good point. Nicely peeved out, well done.
- nthcolumn 9y ago
  I know right? ...mildly surprised someone hasn't pointed out it was a Hawkmoth. Have a picture of a dead one (apparently) http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_640/images/live/p0/2y/t0/p02yt05d.jpg http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/1280_640/images/l...