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I was about to say that is a lot of effort.. but for a 100k car it would be worth it. What do they do about software updates though? They would probably have

I was about to say that is a lot of effort.. but for a 100k car it would be worth it. What do they do about software updates though? They would probably have to break the firmware to if they still want any updates.

Zikes 9y ago
I wonder how long until someone "jailbreaks" Teslas.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  So far there's been one successful attack that involved surfing to a 'bad' webpage on the car's touchscreen browser, followed by a malicious firmware update. Tesla's been closing the known holes, of course.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  If Tesla remains as controlling over the Model 3 as they are over the Model S, you'll see a HECK of a lot more "jailbreaking", reverse engineering, and third party knock-off parts. A big reason Tesla has likely been successful so far controlling so much of the market around the Tesla is the high price: People who have them can afford Tesla's services and will be averse to risking the car with unsupported work, and there aren't all that many of them out there (comparatively) to begin with. With the Model 3 hitting a much wider consumer market, you'll see a lot more interest in ways to get around Tesla. I am actually expecting you may also see more lawsuits regarding things like software activation requirements vs. holding the title to the car and such. Tesla treats these cars like they're still Tesla's property, and if anything I'm shocked it hasn't been tested in court more already.
  - elihu 9y ago
    There's been a big legal battle between John Deere tractors and farmers who want to fix them. I haven't been paying close attention to that case, but it seems like a very similar situation.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      Big difference between business operators and private individuals consuming goods. Besides there being many more of the latter they also have special legal aspects in the form of all kinds of consumer protections.
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  - djrogers 9y ago
    > I'm shocked it hasn't been tested in court more already. Most Teslas on the road are still under warranty, with Tesla footing the bill for repairs. Once all of those second and third owners of Model Ss start needing out-of-warranty repairs, then I expect we'll start seeing some real heat.
toomuchtodo 9y ago
Say goodbye to ever supercharging.
fnordfnordfnord 9y ago
A trailer with an all metal skin is an off the shelf type item, a Connex box, for example. One could also line the inside of a trailer with foil backed foam. Neither would be a lot of effort, even for a $30k car.
- djrogers 9y ago
  > foil backed foam Foil backed foam won't necessarily block a cell signal - heck, there are entire buildings insulated with the stuff and it has little effect.
elihu 9y ago
Even if they can't steal a whole car and have it be usable, the parts might still be worth a lot. If you steal a 100k car and sell the parts for 10k, it could still be profitable and worth the risk to some people.

Zikes 9y ago

I wonder how long until someone "jailbreaks" Teslas.

greglindahl 9y ago
So far there's been one successful attack that involved surfing to a 'bad' webpage on the car's touchscreen browser, followed by a malicious firmware update. Tesla's been closing the known holes, of course.
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
If Tesla remains as controlling over the Model 3 as they are over the Model S, you'll see a HECK of a lot more "jailbreaking", reverse engineering, and third party knock-off parts. A big reason Tesla has likely been successful so far controlling so much of the market around the Tesla is the high price: People who have them can afford Tesla's services and will be averse to risking the car with unsupported work, and there aren't all that many of them out there (comparatively) to begin with. With the Model 3 hitting a much wider consumer market, you'll see a lot more interest in ways to get around Tesla. I am actually expecting you may also see more lawsuits regarding things like software activation requirements vs. holding the title to the car and such. Tesla treats these cars like they're still Tesla's property, and if anything I'm shocked it hasn't been tested in court more already.
- elihu 9y ago
  There's been a big legal battle between John Deere tractors and farmers who want to fix them. I haven't been paying close attention to that case, but it seems like a very similar situation.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Big difference between business operators and private individuals consuming goods. Besides there being many more of the latter they also have special legal aspects in the form of all kinds of consumer protections.
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- djrogers 9y ago
  > I'm shocked it hasn't been tested in court more already. Most Teslas on the road are still under warranty, with Tesla footing the bill for repairs. Once all of those second and third owners of Model Ss start needing out-of-warranty repairs, then I expect we'll start seeing some real heat.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

Say goodbye to ever supercharging.

fnordfnordfnord 9y ago

A trailer with an all metal skin is an off the shelf type item, a Connex box, for example. One could also line the inside of a trailer with foil backed foam. Neither would be a lot of effort, even for a $30k car.

djrogers 9y ago
> foil backed foam Foil backed foam won't necessarily block a cell signal - heck, there are entire buildings insulated with the stuff and it has little effect.

elihu 9y ago

Even if they can't steal a whole car and have it be usable, the parts might still be worth a lot. If you steal a 100k car and sell the parts for 10k, it could still be profitable and worth the risk to some people.