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Interview with VueJS Creator Evan You

74 points by vyrotek 9y ago

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sjroot 9y ago
I have used Vue in multiple projects, after having previously made multiple attempts to learn React. Coming from Angular 1 (too frustrated to bother learning Angular 2), React was my initial preference due to name recognition and the size of its developer community. However, the steep learning curve ultimately prevented me from being productive. On the other hand, Vue's lightweight nature, as Evan describes, ended up being a breath of fresh air. I also find that the Vue component files help bring structure to more complex applications. I wouldn't say that Vue trumps React, however. At this point they are equivalent forces targeting two different audiences.
- nolite 9y ago
  Hanks for the review! I feel I have the same experiences as you in trying to learn react. What would you say the different audiences are for the two? And what drawbacks does vue have that prevent it from trumping react?
- forgot-my-pw 9y ago
  I much prefer Angular's and Vue's templates over JSX.
  - ng12 9y ago
    Why? I love JSX because it's a single source of truth -- 100% of the logic is in JSX. You never have to hop back and forth between the template and code to figure out how something is rendered.
    - devoply 9y ago
      sort of like the good old days where you did have to hop back and forth between javascript, css, and html. it was all in one file all inline.
    - exclusiv 9y ago
      I think it's definitely a preference thing. Putting one language in another always feels dirty to me. On the other hand, many people feel sprinkling tags all over html is dirty and that the click handlers (v-on:click or ng-click) and other tags smell of yesteryear. For workflow I like to offload html/css production and when I get it back I can add VueJS or AngularJS tags to it and get busy. I don't have to chop it all up nearly as much. It seems much easier to have junior developers jump on VueJS templates too. While I prefer VueJS or AngularJS depending on the project, I'll probably try React on an upcoming project to get a feel for it and give it a shot.
      - tomwilson 9y ago
        I agree it's a preference. But to me, the custom tags for loops etc is even more putting another language inside another than JSX is.
        exclusiv 9y ago
        Good point. I think that probably gets more of a pass because we used to have a lot of inline JS in the past. Doing it the other way was a lot sloppier before because HTML was such a chore to include in JS.
- jug 9y ago
  JSX doesn't feel "right" to me, it feels like it's taking Javascript and making it into what it isn't, just for convenience (everything in one place), because the JSX-free option of React at least seems terrible. I'm not sure if that says more about the limitations of Javascript or the design choices of React. Somehow, Evan You managed to design a perfectly clean, high performing alternative that follows common development practices, and still supporting componentization for growing projects. As for me and my workflow, I tend to gravitate towards the options impacting my workflow the least (where preprocessors will invariably do so) and getting me up and running the quickest, while not sacrificing good programming practices. I think VueJS fits that niche pretty well indeed.
camus2 9y ago
Great guy, great framework, the simplicity that is needed in the front-end development space. We moved all our apps from Angular 1 to Vuejs because frankly Angular 2/3/4/whatever is a bloody complicated mess. We are also considering React but so far we're fine with Vuejs (espacially since Vue components can also be rendered server-side).
- philliphaydon 9y ago
  We use angular 2.... 4... at work. It's my biggest regret in my entire career to use angular 2/4. The amount of issues I run into is insane. Just 2 days ago I did a minor update of 4.1.1 to 4.1.3 and it broke the development environment. Now the solution in angular chat room is to sys link all the modules. Ended up downgrading angular. At home I absolutely love vue. It makes me enjoy doing front end development again. It's so simple and straight forward. Doesn't get in the way. And the community is amazing. Jump in the gitter room and everyone is so friendly and helpful and patient. I love vue.
scriptkiddy 9y ago
Evan You is a fantastic developer. He understands that libraries are not solely about what they do; they are also about the API you present to the developer. Interacting with Vue feels natural. I don't really know any other way to describe it. I've been working with React on my latest job for nearly a year now, and I still run into strange little gotchas and difficult concepts(I'm looking at you `componentWillReceiveProps` with an ajax call). I have never run into these types of issues while using Vue.
- a-fake-account 9y ago
  Probably because you use react everyday at work...
- forgot-my-pw 9y ago
  He's also very good at supporting the framework. Both with bug fixes and support questions. Currently Vue has only 62 open and 4519 closed issues on github. That's very impressive.
  - noir_lord 9y ago
    For what is essentially a one man project with the kind of traction he has gotten I think even very is underselling it, I'd say in incredibly possibly ludicrously impressive.
  - jazoom 9y ago
    Evan seems to be everywhere and doing everything all at the same time. He is very impressive.
- m_fayer 9y ago
  Vue is the first library I've worked on where I've had multiple moments of "ugh, this problem is an awkward fit for this framework and this is going to hurt" quickly followed by a skim of the docs and finding an API that specifically foresees and smooths over my pain point.
nickthemagicman 9y ago
Isn't Vue the default Laravel front end framework nowdays?
buchanaf 9y ago
It's somewhat refreshing to see an objective description of Vue and how it compares to React instead of simply "why it is better" -- from the Vue creator no less.
the_common_man 9y ago
Add me to the TJ fan club :) His code is just so phenomenally good. I feel the entire node.js community owes him a virtual billion dollars. Anyone know how well he is doing in the Go world?
saleeh 9y ago
What makes it complete different from react ?
- Can_Not 9y ago
  VueJS is smaller, the API is different (so get your opinions ready). React has react native and a year head start on ecosystem maturity.
christilut 9y ago
This same article was posted 6 months ago but apparently deleted: https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/5b2ras/between_the_wires_evan_you/ https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/5b2ras/between_... I remember reading it as I am a bit of a Vue fan. I use Vue in all my projects, it rocks and I love using it.
- Xoros 9y ago
  The link of the original post is available at the beginning of this one. It's from last November.
mmerlin 9y ago
Be great when Weex (vue.js to native mobile) gains enough momentum to be as well documented and supported as react-native If interested join in here https://gitter.im/weex-en/Lobby https://gitter.im/weex-en/Lobby

74 points by vyrotek 9y ago

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I have used Vue in multiple projects, after having previously made multiple attempts to learn React. Coming from Angular 1 (too frustrated to bother learning Angular 2), React was my initial preference due to name recognition and the size of its developer community. However, the steep learning curve ultimately prevented me from being productive. On the other hand, Vue's lightweight nature, as Evan describes, ended up being a breath of fresh air. I also find that the Vue component files help bring structure to more complex applications. I wouldn't say that Vue trumps React, however. At this point they are equivalent forces targeting two different audiences.

nolite 9y ago
Hanks for the review! I feel I have the same experiences as you in trying to learn react. What would you say the different audiences are for the two? And what drawbacks does vue have that prevent it from trumping react?
forgot-my-pw 9y ago
I much prefer Angular's and Vue's templates over JSX.
- ng12 9y ago
  Why? I love JSX because it's a single source of truth -- 100% of the logic is in JSX. You never have to hop back and forth between the template and code to figure out how something is rendered.
  - devoply 9y ago
    sort of like the good old days where you did have to hop back and forth between javascript, css, and html. it was all in one file all inline.
  - exclusiv 9y ago
    I think it's definitely a preference thing. Putting one language in another always feels dirty to me. On the other hand, many people feel sprinkling tags all over html is dirty and that the click handlers (v-on:click or ng-click) and other tags smell of yesteryear. For workflow I like to offload html/css production and when I get it back I can add VueJS or AngularJS tags to it and get busy. I don't have to chop it all up nearly as much. It seems much easier to have junior developers jump on VueJS templates too. While I prefer VueJS or AngularJS depending on the project, I'll probably try React on an upcoming project to get a feel for it and give it a shot.
    - tomwilson 9y ago
      I agree it's a preference. But to me, the custom tags for loops etc is even more putting another language inside another than JSX is.
      - exclusiv 9y ago
        Good point. I think that probably gets more of a pass because we used to have a lot of inline JS in the past. Doing it the other way was a lot sloppier before because HTML was such a chore to include in JS.
jug 9y ago
JSX doesn't feel "right" to me, it feels like it's taking Javascript and making it into what it isn't, just for convenience (everything in one place), because the JSX-free option of React at least seems terrible. I'm not sure if that says more about the limitations of Javascript or the design choices of React. Somehow, Evan You managed to design a perfectly clean, high performing alternative that follows common development practices, and still supporting componentization for growing projects. As for me and my workflow, I tend to gravitate towards the options impacting my workflow the least (where preprocessors will invariably do so) and getting me up and running the quickest, while not sacrificing good programming practices. I think VueJS fits that niche pretty well indeed.

camus2 9y ago

Great guy, great framework, the simplicity that is needed in the front-end development space. We moved all our apps from Angular 1 to Vuejs because frankly Angular 2/3/4/whatever is a bloody complicated mess. We are also considering React but so far we're fine with Vuejs (espacially since Vue components can also be rendered server-side).

philliphaydon 9y ago
We use angular 2.... 4... at work. It's my biggest regret in my entire career to use angular 2/4. The amount of issues I run into is insane. Just 2 days ago I did a minor update of 4.1.1 to 4.1.3 and it broke the development environment. Now the solution in angular chat room is to sys link all the modules. Ended up downgrading angular. At home I absolutely love vue. It makes me enjoy doing front end development again. It's so simple and straight forward. Doesn't get in the way. And the community is amazing. Jump in the gitter room and everyone is so friendly and helpful and patient. I love vue.

scriptkiddy 9y ago

Evan You is a fantastic developer. He understands that libraries are not solely about what they do; they are also about the API you present to the developer. Interacting with Vue feels natural. I don't really know any other way to describe it. I've been working with React on my latest job for nearly a year now, and I still run into strange little gotchas and difficult concepts(I'm looking at you `componentWillReceiveProps` with an ajax call). I have never run into these types of issues while using Vue.

a-fake-account 9y ago
Probably because you use react everyday at work...
forgot-my-pw 9y ago
He's also very good at supporting the framework. Both with bug fixes and support questions. Currently Vue has only 62 open and 4519 closed issues on github. That's very impressive.
- noir_lord 9y ago
  For what is essentially a one man project with the kind of traction he has gotten I think even very is underselling it, I'd say in incredibly possibly ludicrously impressive.
- jazoom 9y ago
  Evan seems to be everywhere and doing everything all at the same time. He is very impressive.
m_fayer 9y ago
Vue is the first library I've worked on where I've had multiple moments of "ugh, this problem is an awkward fit for this framework and this is going to hurt" quickly followed by a skim of the docs and finding an API that specifically foresees and smooths over my pain point.

nickthemagicman 9y ago

Isn't Vue the default Laravel front end framework nowdays?

buchanaf 9y ago

It's somewhat refreshing to see an objective description of Vue and how it compares to React instead of simply "why it is better" -- from the Vue creator no less.

the_common_man 9y ago

Add me to the TJ fan club :) His code is just so phenomenally good. I feel the entire node.js community owes him a virtual billion dollars. Anyone know how well he is doing in the Go world?

saleeh 9y ago

What makes it complete different from react ?

Can_Not 9y ago
VueJS is smaller, the API is different (so get your opinions ready). React has react native and a year head start on ecosystem maturity.

christilut 9y ago

This same article was posted 6 months ago but apparently deleted: https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/5b2ras/between_the_wires_evan_you/ https://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/5b2ras/between_... I remember reading it as I am a bit of a Vue fan. I use Vue in all my projects, it rocks and I love using it.

Xoros 9y ago
The link of the original post is available at the beginning of this one. It's from last November.

mmerlin 9y ago

Be great when Weex (vue.js to native mobile) gains enough momentum to be as well documented and supported as react-native If interested join in here https://gitter.im/weex-en/Lobby https://gitter.im/weex-en/Lobby