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Yeah, I'm not really buying the LTE being the "killer feature" thing either. I hope Qualcomm is not betting the farm on that. Its ARM processors will have to st

by mtgx 9y ago

Yeah, I'm not really buying the LTE being the "killer feature" thing either. I hope Qualcomm is not betting the farm on that. Its ARM processors will have to stand on their own feet in regards to performance alone. Few people buy their laptops based on LTE support, and although I do believe it could become more popular in the future, I don't think it will have a fast pick-up, with or without Qualcomm's promotion of LTE laptops.

52-6F-62 9y ago
I definitely think it will be popular in the future. It depends on who wins the race for ubiquitous network coverage, though. Google, Facebook, and SpaceX have all moved to initiate programs to install global high speed wifi access. This is probably the last edge chance for cellular network companies in the long term. If wifi hits first, with projects like Google home offering free calling as well as other ip-phone services I think we could see those companies begin to fall. I'm taking the rather long view, though. For average, non-power users, I could see these being quite popular -- especially if they can handle Windows 10, MS Office, some light Photoshop, and fast internet. Otherwise I wouldn't mind one to turn into a highly portable Linux machine -- stars in my eyes, and all that.
- Eridrus 9y ago
  Is tethering too complicated for most people? Simpler tethering seems like it would be more helpful here than a new CPU architecture that also requires people to have a second SIM they need to get on their plan.
  - qubex 9y ago
    No, it's just too clunky in this day of instant gratification/”almost every application expects network access”/”computer is a communication tool not (only) an information-processing device”.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    For most users, I would say yes. Of course they want it to be as seamless and simple as possible to connect to information. Tethering is hardly a second thought for most people who are comfortable with the technology, but you're forgetting most of the rest of the world here, as well as a lot of people outside the tech realm. Never mind people who currently live outside of high-speed wired internet zones -- with cell coverage reaching further than wired zones lately I'd consider the option a boon to connectivity. I fail to see the real downside to the public. Maybe you can elucidate further.
    - Eridrus 9y ago
      There's no downside to having this as an option, I just wonder if this feature will drive any consumer demand.
      - 52-6F-62 9y ago
        Consider how annoyed people have been at the Apple dongle situation. Sure they'll grunt through it but they want something better and less complicated. To the HN crowd, a phone tied to a computer to access all of the world's information is a large bit of genius (I used to dream about it when I was a kid... before everybody had cellphones), but to most users its just another thing dangling about that they have to connect and disconnect and remember to shut off tether mode and so on and so on. If its in one package, and its as easy as hitting "connect", I think it will sell. That and consider cottage-goers who dislike disconnecting, or people who live outside of highspeed zones. Or even the connectivity-paranoid (script kiddies aren't so likely to start hijacking cellular connections as they are to bite you through an insecure coffeshop wifi). Doctors Without Borders might benefit, and other like travelling charity groups. I'm just spitballing, but I can see cases. Though, a lot of my speculation depends on price points.
        photojosh 9y ago
        > Consider how annoyed people have been at the Apple dongle situation. Do you mean the USB-C with the gazillion required adapters or new cables? It's relevant you bring up Apple, because if you have a MacBook and an iPhone, and pair it via Bluetooth, the a tethering option shows up in your WiFi menu that you can easily select, same as any other WiFi network. The advantage of it being an easy, yet manual process is that you can't accidentally use it and blow through your data. I do wish they would go the extra step and build "limit what you do because you're on a metered connection" support into macOS.
  - johnvaluk 9y ago
    I'd love to tether, but don't because my carrier (AT&T) won't enable it for a single device, only for all accounts on my family plan. My family could easily (even innocently) use up our monthly data allotment in a day. Also, how can you limit data usage while tethering? Can a device tell if it's tethered, or does it just assume it has a normal wifi connection? Do you need to turn off automatic updates on laptops?
    - Eridrus 9y ago
      None of this is solved by having a modem in your computer though. Though Windows 10 does let you mark a connection as metered, though I don't think anything except the OS pays attention to that. But again, that's orthogonal to whether your laptop has a modem and will likely not be solved.
    - pseudosavant 9y ago
      The short answer is yes Windows typically does know it is on a metered connection and doesn't do anything like update downloading. If it doesn't automatically detect it you can also mark that connection as being a metered connection and it will remember it. I'm not sure about tethering but when using built-in LTE you can even set what your plan limit is.
      - phr4ts 9y ago
        Not every modem can be marked as a metered connection. I'm using one such modem right now. And Windows decides at whim to ignore metered connection settings.
    - deleted 9y ago
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- aruggirello 9y ago
  > Otherwise I wouldn't mind one to turn into a highly portable Linux machine -- stars in my eyes, and all that. Assuming you'll be able to boot Linux on such a device, that might still require exploiting some yet-to-be-found bugs to root it, and/or voiding its warranty. BTW good luck with GPU drivers, multitouch, exotic sensors...
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I thought that was part of the fun
dmarlow 9y ago
I'm hoping it'll help modernize the enterprise/commercial side of things. If you've ever had to deal with these types of devices, you'd realize they're very antiquated. http://www.micronet-inc.com/products/product-techspecs.aspx?id=16 http://www.micronet-inc.com/products/product-techspecs.aspx?...
scholia 9y ago
These Windows 10 laptops are using a Snapdragon 835, which is a smartphone chip that has just started appearing in smartphones. It's just a bonus business for Qualcomm. Whether they take off or not will depend on many factors besides LTE. Those include size, weight, battery life, performance, Win32 compatibility, marketing, advertising, availability and price.

by mtgx 9y ago

52-6F-62 9y ago

I definitely think it will be popular in the future. It depends on who wins the race for ubiquitous network coverage, though. Google, Facebook, and SpaceX have all moved to initiate programs to install global high speed wifi access. This is probably the last edge chance for cellular network companies in the long term. If wifi hits first, with projects like Google home offering free calling as well as other ip-phone services I think we could see those companies begin to fall. I'm taking the rather long view, though. For average, non-power users, I could see these being quite popular -- especially if they can handle Windows 10, MS Office, some light Photoshop, and fast internet. Otherwise I wouldn't mind one to turn into a highly portable Linux machine -- stars in my eyes, and all that.

Eridrus 9y ago
Is tethering too complicated for most people? Simpler tethering seems like it would be more helpful here than a new CPU architecture that also requires people to have a second SIM they need to get on their plan.
- qubex 9y ago
  No, it's just too clunky in this day of instant gratification/”almost every application expects network access”/”computer is a communication tool not (only) an information-processing device”.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  For most users, I would say yes. Of course they want it to be as seamless and simple as possible to connect to information. Tethering is hardly a second thought for most people who are comfortable with the technology, but you're forgetting most of the rest of the world here, as well as a lot of people outside the tech realm. Never mind people who currently live outside of high-speed wired internet zones -- with cell coverage reaching further than wired zones lately I'd consider the option a boon to connectivity. I fail to see the real downside to the public. Maybe you can elucidate further.
  - Eridrus 9y ago
    There's no downside to having this as an option, I just wonder if this feature will drive any consumer demand.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      Consider how annoyed people have been at the Apple dongle situation. Sure they'll grunt through it but they want something better and less complicated. To the HN crowd, a phone tied to a computer to access all of the world's information is a large bit of genius (I used to dream about it when I was a kid... before everybody had cellphones), but to most users its just another thing dangling about that they have to connect and disconnect and remember to shut off tether mode and so on and so on. If its in one package, and its as easy as hitting "connect", I think it will sell. That and consider cottage-goers who dislike disconnecting, or people who live outside of highspeed zones. Or even the connectivity-paranoid (script kiddies aren't so likely to start hijacking cellular connections as they are to bite you through an insecure coffeshop wifi). Doctors Without Borders might benefit, and other like travelling charity groups. I'm just spitballing, but I can see cases. Though, a lot of my speculation depends on price points.
      - photojosh 9y ago
        > Consider how annoyed people have been at the Apple dongle situation. Do you mean the USB-C with the gazillion required adapters or new cables? It's relevant you bring up Apple, because if you have a MacBook and an iPhone, and pair it via Bluetooth, the a tethering option shows up in your WiFi menu that you can easily select, same as any other WiFi network. The advantage of it being an easy, yet manual process is that you can't accidentally use it and blow through your data. I do wish they would go the extra step and build "limit what you do because you're on a metered connection" support into macOS.
- johnvaluk 9y ago
  I'd love to tether, but don't because my carrier (AT&T) won't enable it for a single device, only for all accounts on my family plan. My family could easily (even innocently) use up our monthly data allotment in a day. Also, how can you limit data usage while tethering? Can a device tell if it's tethered, or does it just assume it has a normal wifi connection? Do you need to turn off automatic updates on laptops?
  - Eridrus 9y ago
    None of this is solved by having a modem in your computer though. Though Windows 10 does let you mark a connection as metered, though I don't think anything except the OS pays attention to that. But again, that's orthogonal to whether your laptop has a modem and will likely not be solved.
  - pseudosavant 9y ago
    The short answer is yes Windows typically does know it is on a metered connection and doesn't do anything like update downloading. If it doesn't automatically detect it you can also mark that connection as being a metered connection and it will remember it. I'm not sure about tethering but when using built-in LTE you can even set what your plan limit is.
    - phr4ts 9y ago
      Not every modem can be marked as a metered connection. I'm using one such modem right now. And Windows decides at whim to ignore metered connection settings.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
aruggirello 9y ago
> Otherwise I wouldn't mind one to turn into a highly portable Linux machine -- stars in my eyes, and all that. Assuming you'll be able to boot Linux on such a device, that might still require exploiting some yet-to-be-found bugs to root it, and/or voiding its warranty. BTW good luck with GPU drivers, multitouch, exotic sensors...
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  I thought that was part of the fun

dmarlow 9y ago

I'm hoping it'll help modernize the enterprise/commercial side of things. If you've ever had to deal with these types of devices, you'd realize they're very antiquated. http://www.micronet-inc.com/products/product-techspecs.aspx?id=16 http://www.micronet-inc.com/products/product-techspecs.aspx?...

scholia 9y ago

These Windows 10 laptops are using a Snapdragon 835, which is a smartphone chip that has just started appearing in smartphones. It's just a bonus business for Qualcomm. Whether they take off or not will depend on many factors besides LTE. Those include size, weight, battery life, performance, Win32 compatibility, marketing, advertising, availability and price.