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I've found the same, it is a total gamble. Most companies are equally good at selling you bullshit. I'm at a good place now but below the salary I want. I'm ju

by slackingoff2017 9y ago

I've found the same, it is a total gamble. Most companies are equally good at selling you bullshit. I'm at a good place now but below the salary I want. I'm just going to jump every year or two until I'm in top 10% of engineer salary in my area. Then I'll sit back and become a lifer. It's too bad nobody gives decent raises, it's most of the reason young devs jump from job to job. People have told me it doesn't work but every time I've jumped I've gotten at least 10% more. One time I got offered 20% on the spot to not leave and I said no because I had a job lined up for 50% more.

otterley 9y ago
In my experience, you don't get meaningful raises from an employer without asking for one, and making a good case for it. For example, one year I went and interviewed at a number of different companies, got some offers that were significantly higher than what I was currently making, then went to my manager and made the case based on the highest offer I received. At the same time, I made it clear that I liked my current job and didn't want to leave. What have you done already in this area?
- slackingoff2017 9y ago
  If you have to go out and get offers why not just take another job? It's basically doing the same amount of work but at least with a new job you might get a title change.
  - dagw 9y ago
    why not just take another job? Having done the same thing, I didn't automatically take the other job because I liked the job I had. I liked the people, I liked the challenges and I liked the domain, all I didn't like was the salary. In my case they ended up meeting me about halfway between my current salary and the best offer I'd received, and I was happy to take it since that job with the better offer didn't sound as interesting.
- mastazi 9y ago
  I partially disagree, many do get meaningful raises without asking, but yeah if that doesn't happen then I agree with all you said.
  - otterley 9y ago
    You're right. I mistakenly implied that it doesn't happen, but it has happened in my own life as well. I should have said "rarely." I have noticed, however, that as my career has progressed into more senior levels, automatic raises beyond typical inflation adjustments (2-3% per annum) have become rarer. Thus, I've had to negotiate for raises between promotions.
jriot 9y ago
You just need ask and present your case. My employer and I worked out a $10k raise every year for the next three years. Now I don't concern myself with looking for work anywhere else. I can focus all my attention on the problems I am currently working on.

otterley 9y ago

In my experience, you don't get meaningful raises from an employer without asking for one, and making a good case for it. For example, one year I went and interviewed at a number of different companies, got some offers that were significantly higher than what I was currently making, then went to my manager and made the case based on the highest offer I received. At the same time, I made it clear that I liked my current job and didn't want to leave. What have you done already in this area?

slackingoff2017 9y ago
If you have to go out and get offers why not just take another job? It's basically doing the same amount of work but at least with a new job you might get a title change.
- dagw 9y ago
  why not just take another job? Having done the same thing, I didn't automatically take the other job because I liked the job I had. I liked the people, I liked the challenges and I liked the domain, all I didn't like was the salary. In my case they ended up meeting me about halfway between my current salary and the best offer I'd received, and I was happy to take it since that job with the better offer didn't sound as interesting.
mastazi 9y ago
I partially disagree, many do get meaningful raises without asking, but yeah if that doesn't happen then I agree with all you said.
- otterley 9y ago
  You're right. I mistakenly implied that it doesn't happen, but it has happened in my own life as well. I should have said "rarely." I have noticed, however, that as my career has progressed into more senior levels, automatic raises beyond typical inflation adjustments (2-3% per annum) have become rarer. Thus, I've had to negotiate for raises between promotions.

jriot 9y ago

You just need ask and present your case. My employer and I worked out a $10k raise every year for the next three years. Now I don't concern myself with looking for work anywhere else. I can focus all my attention on the problems I am currently working on.