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It must be an unusual place for Apple to be in, chasing trends as opposed to setting them.

Someone 9y ago
Unusual? _If_ the 'outdo' of this article really is OUTDO, it would be a repeat of what they did with MP3 players and mobile phones. Thats a big if, though. Services aren't Apple's strongpoint, and their stance on privacy means they may have to do a lot of the processing in the device, and limit their ability to rapidly improve their offering.
- eridius 9y ago
  > Services aren't Apple's strongpoint They aren't? Tell that to the teams that run iMessage and the iTunes Music Store.
  - benburleson 9y ago
    Exactly; those are not mainstream services any more.
    - sandstrom 9y ago
      Agree, they are big but that's because they are pre-installed on hundreds of millions of hardware devices. Not because the services themselves are particularly good.
    - bykovich2 9y ago
      What do you mean? I use iMessage probably hundreds of times a day (to my chagrin, but I digress). The Music Store has been overtaken by streaming services, but it made a titanic impact on the market -- and as much hate as Apple Music gets, it's actually a completely adequate service.
    - eridius 9y ago
      You're kidding, right? iMessage has massive scale. Several years ago, Apple revealed they were processing "several billion" iMessages per day, and it's hard to imagine that number hasn't simply grown since then. As for the iTunes Music Store, I could believe that it's not used as often as previously because of the popularity of streaming services, but Apple also runs one of those streaming services (Apple Music), and they run iCloud Library which gives you access to all of your purchased music on all of your devices, and of course they also run the iOS App Store and you can't argue that doesn't have massive scale.
  - Someone 9y ago
    You have a point. I was thinking of the 'speed' of the iCloud web interface and the 'speed' of the iOS update check (it currently takes about 4 seconds for my iPad to report that its software is up to date. When there are updates, that can easily become 10 seconds. I find that slow for what could be a single http request that returns one or two _bytes_)
    - eridius 9y ago
      I'm guessing the update checks are somewhat more involved than they appear. It may actually be validating that the local device is eligible to receive the update using some criteria, rather than simply saying "what's the latest version?"

Unusual? _If_ the 'outdo' of this article really is OUTDO, it would be a repeat of what they did with MP3 players and mobile phones. Thats a big if, though. Services aren't Apple's strongpoint, and their stance on privacy means they may have to do a lot of the processing in the device, and limit their ability to rapidly improve their offering.

eridius 9y ago
> Services aren't Apple's strongpoint They aren't? Tell that to the teams that run iMessage and the iTunes Music Store.
- benburleson 9y ago
  Exactly; those are not mainstream services any more.
  - sandstrom 9y ago
    Agree, they are big but that's because they are pre-installed on hundreds of millions of hardware devices. Not because the services themselves are particularly good.
  - bykovich2 9y ago
    What do you mean? I use iMessage probably hundreds of times a day (to my chagrin, but I digress). The Music Store has been overtaken by streaming services, but it made a titanic impact on the market -- and as much hate as Apple Music gets, it's actually a completely adequate service.
  - eridius 9y ago
    You're kidding, right? iMessage has massive scale. Several years ago, Apple revealed they were processing "several billion" iMessages per day, and it's hard to imagine that number hasn't simply grown since then. As for the iTunes Music Store, I could believe that it's not used as often as previously because of the popularity of streaming services, but Apple also runs one of those streaming services (Apple Music), and they run iCloud Library which gives you access to all of your purchased music on all of your devices, and of course they also run the iOS App Store and you can't argue that doesn't have massive scale.
- Someone 9y ago
  You have a point. I was thinking of the 'speed' of the iCloud web interface and the 'speed' of the iOS update check (it currently takes about 4 seconds for my iPad to report that its software is up to date. When there are updates, that can easily become 10 seconds. I find that slow for what could be a single http request that returns one or two _bytes_)
  - eridius 9y ago
    I'm guessing the update checks are somewhat more involved than they appear. It may actually be validating that the local device is eligible to receive the update using some criteria, rather than simply saying "what's the latest version?"