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I understand the argument that by working with Trump, people like musk could positively influence the administration; however, it never sat right with me, given

I understand the argument that by working with Trump, people like musk could positively influence the administration; however, it never sat right with me, given what has been known about the danger Trump represents to the republic and the world. I don't say this as a partisan. It has always been clear that Trump is manifestly unfit for the job he holds. Winning via a technaluty didn't change that. The goal for people like musk should've been to eliminate the threat, not to work to normalize it. That's just my two cents.

nostrademons 9y ago
How do you propose to "eliminate the threat"? The challenge is that Trump is a democratically-elected leader. Democracy sometimes produces results that you don't like, but if the alternative is to get rid of democratically-elected leaders each time one is elected that you view as a threat to the republic, you've just killed the republic to avoid potentially killing the republic.
- taylodl 9y ago
  No, Trump is most emphatically not a democratically-elected leader, and I'm not just splitting a hair. The "technicality" alistproducer2 mentions is the electoral college, a process whereby the person getting the most votes, i.e. Hillary Clinton, does not necessarily become president. What people have proposed is dispensing with the electoral college so that we may have democratically-elected leaders. But, as with most things in politics, it's not quite as simple as that since the United States is a Federal Republic.
  - AnimalMuppet 9y ago
    That doesn't change nostrademons' point at all. True democracy sometimes produces results you don't like, too. (In fact, the founding fathers thought that it was more likely to produce bad results than a more republican form of government, because it was more susceptible to demagogues and populists.)
    - taylodl 9y ago
      You are correct - any voting process will sometimes produce results you don't like. I simply took umbrage with nostrademon's assertion that Trump was democratically-elected. Your comment that the founding fathers thought that "true" democracy was more likely to produce bad results is duly noted, that's why they setup the electoral college in the first place, even though today's electoral college has been perverted from its original intent. Sigh. That's part of why this problem is so complex!
- alistproducer2 9y ago
  Let me be clear that I was not calling for violent removal of the president. I would like to see people with the power and influence of Musk do more to pressure those who have the responsibility and duty to protect the republic to actually do so.

nostrademons 9y ago

How do you propose to "eliminate the threat"? The challenge is that Trump is a democratically-elected leader. Democracy sometimes produces results that you don't like, but if the alternative is to get rid of democratically-elected leaders each time one is elected that you view as a threat to the republic, you've just killed the republic to avoid potentially killing the republic.

taylodl 9y ago
No, Trump is most emphatically not a democratically-elected leader, and I'm not just splitting a hair. The "technicality" alistproducer2 mentions is the electoral college, a process whereby the person getting the most votes, i.e. Hillary Clinton, does not necessarily become president. What people have proposed is dispensing with the electoral college so that we may have democratically-elected leaders. But, as with most things in politics, it's not quite as simple as that since the United States is a Federal Republic.
- AnimalMuppet 9y ago
  That doesn't change nostrademons' point at all. True democracy sometimes produces results you don't like, too. (In fact, the founding fathers thought that it was more likely to produce bad results than a more republican form of government, because it was more susceptible to demagogues and populists.)
  - taylodl 9y ago
    You are correct - any voting process will sometimes produce results you don't like. I simply took umbrage with nostrademon's assertion that Trump was democratically-elected. Your comment that the founding fathers thought that "true" democracy was more likely to produce bad results is duly noted, that's why they setup the electoral college in the first place, even though today's electoral college has been perverted from its original intent. Sigh. That's part of why this problem is so complex!
alistproducer2 9y ago
Let me be clear that I was not calling for violent removal of the president. I would like to see people with the power and influence of Musk do more to pressure those who have the responsibility and duty to protect the republic to actually do so.