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They added over a million of migrants in a single year, almost none of them are employed and are even long-term unemployable. Meanwhile, the official unemployme
by eleitl 9y ago
They added over a million of migrants in a single year, almost none of them are employed and are even long-term unemployable. Meanwhile, the official unemployment figures have gone down.
If you apply the same unemployment metrics as Austria, Germany has pretty much exactly the same unemployment rate as Austria.
- wand3r 9y agoMakes sense. I'm of the mind the immigration allowance will prob be net good; but short term it has to negatively impact honest unemployment numbers
- zo1 9y agoWhat "net good" do you conceive exactly? Of importing 1 million unskilled, probably uneducated individuals that wouldn't be able to speak the local language without months/years of language learning? If you have unemployment in your country then, by definition, you don't have enough jobs for the individuals already in your country. That is the whole point of the unemployment metric. To determine how well in-sync your economy is with the rate of population growth. If anything, unemployment should be a signal to kick people out, not let them in. However, neither up/down fixes it, because it's not a fixed pie. But your ratio is most certainly not going to be "net good" long-term or short-term by importing individuals that are unable to contribute.
- davrosthedalek 9y agoAs long as people are free to choose what kind of job they want to do, the optimal (from an economic sense) number for unemployment is not zero. Germany is very close to that optimal point, and it's debatable if the unemployment rate isn't actually too small.
- wand3r 9y agoAmerica is pretty great and I criticise it because it is my home and I wish it to become better. It became great by allowing immigrants in; not just the smartest defectors from China, Russia and Germany but regular people. > 1 Million uneducated people If they offer education and are successful; someone like Elon Musk is 1/1 Million. Many will contribute; and some might return home in large enough numbers to bring some German culture back with them
- MarkMc 9y agoA newborn baby is also an unskilled, uneducated individual that wouldn't be able to speak the local language without months/years of language learning. Presumably there is a net benefit in this case. I think there is a net good to some unskilled immigration - say 1% of the population each year. But I'm willing to be proven wrong. Is there some objective measure we can agree on which approximates 'net benefit'? For example, if total tax paid by these migrants over their lifetime is more than total welfare payments, would that indicate a net benefit?
- davrosthedalek 9y agoMost of the migrants are not allowed to work, so calling them "not employed" is misleading. They might want to work, and they might have work, but they simply aren't allowed to.
- zo1 9y agoThen what is the point of keeping them in the country? And why not take the rest of the third-world? They're either official refugees and get asylum which allows them to work, or they're illegal immigrants that aren't officially allowed to work. And let's be honest, they're not really refugees, and they're not really the neediest individuals in this world. Give me a 1-million-person quota to import into Germany, and I guarantee you I will help the neediest in this horrible world. Starving, emaciated children, elderly and abused minorities around the world. I would certainly not import what Germany seems to have imported en-masse the last few years. I.e. import fit, working-age men from an incompatible culture, that don't know the language, and are able to cross an entire continent on foot.