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Lies. Merkels government just changed how the number is calculated. They created programs for unemployed (1 euro jobber, "Aufstocker") and removed them from the

by igl 9y ago

Lies. Merkels government just changed how the number is calculated. They created programs for unemployed (1 euro jobber, "Aufstocker") and removed them from the statistic. They still receive social support but are not "fully unemployed" http://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/arbeitslose-statistik-100.html http://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/arbeitslose-statistik-100.htm... (german) The growing income inequality tells the real story.

denzil_correa 9y ago
If I understand this correctly, currently there are 7.3M "mini jobs" in Germany - 733,600 (2.4%) lesser than last year. 2.6M (approx. 36%) of these mini jobs are side jobs i.e. jobs taken to earn additional money (may include students as well). https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Statistik-nach-Themen/Beschaeftigung/Beschaeftigung-Nav.html https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Sta...
- dmix 9y ago
  There was a study [1][2] which showed most of the job growth in recent years in the US has been via 'temporary' or part-time jobs. So the recovery that Obama took credit for using the blanket statistics such as 'unemployment rate' is heavily skewed towards people who compromised with jobs that were worse than the one they held before the crisis. As the study mentions, this was heavily influenced by the effects of the 'gig economy' via tech companies which created a larger percentage of contractor jobs. Instead of pretending the gig economy will go away because we don't like it, maybe we should strengthen the safety net to protect these types of contract workers. Such as expanding unemployment to contract workers who are employed for a certain timeframe. Which would also help provide protections to the large number of web developers, designers, and other tech jobs which are a growing in number in recent years who don't fit into the typical 9-to-5 framework. [1] Source: https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all-job-growth-during-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057 https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all... (note: this trend started before Obama, within the last years of Bush's administration, but that would be less newsworthy headline) [2] the actual study https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/akrueger/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/akrueger/f...
waibelp 9y ago
Long Story short translated: 1) Some people work to get paid lese than others that dont work 2) Those people need to go get help in form of money: Aufstocker 3) A lot of them need to get their food from Caritas and other organizations like "die Tafel" because they dont have enough money to buy food Yes, Germany is a wealthy country but most of its citizens are poor.
- denzil_correa 9y ago
  > Yes, Germany is a wealthy country but most of its citizens are poor. What do you mean by "most of the citizens" are poor? I can understand if you say that Germany income gap is increasing but I can't understand this part.
  - spacedude 9y ago
    Mostly because it's bullshit.
  - kjdal2001 9y ago
    I think he is paraphrasing a quote from Kurt Vonnegut. "America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor..." http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/158414-america-is-the-wealthiest-nation-on-earth-but-its-people http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/158414-america-is-the-wealth...
- moomin 9y ago
  Yeah, we're constantly organising charity drives for the Heidelberg tent cities in the EU. Get a grip. It's a prosperous country with a decent social safety net and an extremely large middle class. And a record of electing sensible moderates, but I'm sure that's a complete coincidence.
- someSven 9y ago
  No one needs to get donated food. These leftovers are given away for free instead of throwing them away. Some people are using this for propaganda, and to many are falling for it.
shaqbert 9y ago
While your statement is indeed true, the German way of calculating unemployment is actually more conservative than the US way. There the ones who stop looking for work are dropped from the statistics...
jo909 9y ago
That is nothing new though. So in the boundaries of what this statistic actually measures, the number improved. The "real" statistic isn't a secret either and published at the same time by the same agency for everyone to see. http://m.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/a-1133354.html http://m.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/a-1133354.html
- MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
  But that article says the numbers improved considerably. Using the same method (and tricks) to calculate unemployment, the numbers went down from 7 million in 2005 to 4 million today.
- davrosthedalek 9y ago
  That's a very good article with a very fair description of the situation.
someSven 9y ago
There is no growing inequality. There are more one person househols and immigrants with lower wages.
- thesagan 9y ago
  I think a citation is needed, because I see a lot of cites of the opposite. One from a long list on a quick Google search: http://www.pulse.ng/world/angela-merkel-germany-wealth-inequality-gap-growing-wider-id6416980.html http://www.pulse.ng/world/angela-merkel-germany-wealth-inequ... http://www.france24.com/en/20170323-germany-wealth-inequality-gap-growing-wider http://www.france24.com/en/20170323-germany-wealth-inequalit... http://www.dw.com/en/study-income-inequality-reaches-new-high-in-germany/a-36009472 http://www.dw.com/en/study-income-inequality-reaches-new-hig... https://www.google.com/search?q=german+wealth+inequality&tbs=qdr:y https://www.google.com/search?q=german+wealth+inequality&tbs...
  - someSven 9y ago
    Your cited sites don't care for the reason. But Germany had a lot of immigration of people which make more money in Germany than they could at home, but less than the more native population. Singles: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-biggest-reason-for-income-inequality-is-single-parenthood/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjAqNbDt5vUAhUEiRoKHWp1Aj0QFggTMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFpAfRLds3_fYcuCFNsRtRNgAa8Ng https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-bi...
  - someSven 9y ago
    Your cited sites don't care for the reason. But Germany had a lot of immigration of people which make more money in Germany than they could at home, but less than the more native population. Singles: http://www.google.es/url?q=https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-biggest-reason-for-income-inequality-is-single-parenthood/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjAqNbDt5vUAhUEiRoKHWp1Aj0QFggTMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFpAfRLds3_fYcuCFNsRtRNgAa8Ng http://www.google.es/url?q=https://www.forbes.com/sites/thea...

by igl 9y ago

denzil_correa 9y ago

If I understand this correctly, currently there are 7.3M "mini jobs" in Germany - 733,600 (2.4%) lesser than last year. 2.6M (approx. 36%) of these mini jobs are side jobs i.e. jobs taken to earn additional money (may include students as well). https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Statistik-nach-Themen/Beschaeftigung/Beschaeftigung-Nav.html https://statistik.arbeitsagentur.de/Navigation/Statistik/Sta...

dmix 9y ago
There was a study [1][2] which showed most of the job growth in recent years in the US has been via 'temporary' or part-time jobs. So the recovery that Obama took credit for using the blanket statistics such as 'unemployment rate' is heavily skewed towards people who compromised with jobs that were worse than the one they held before the crisis. As the study mentions, this was heavily influenced by the effects of the 'gig economy' via tech companies which created a larger percentage of contractor jobs. Instead of pretending the gig economy will go away because we don't like it, maybe we should strengthen the safety net to protect these types of contract workers. Such as expanding unemployment to contract workers who are employed for a certain timeframe. Which would also help provide protections to the large number of web developers, designers, and other tech jobs which are a growing in number in recent years who don't fit into the typical 9-to-5 framework. [1] Source: https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all-job-growth-during-obama-era-part-time,-contract-work-449057 https://www.investing.com/news/economy-news/nearly-95-of-all... (note: this trend started before Obama, within the last years of Bush's administration, but that would be less newsworthy headline) [2] the actual study https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/akrueger/files/katz_krueger_cws_-_march_29_20165.pdf https://krueger.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/akrueger/f...

waibelp 9y ago

Long Story short translated: 1) Some people work to get paid lese than others that dont work 2) Those people need to go get help in form of money: Aufstocker 3) A lot of them need to get their food from Caritas and other organizations like "die Tafel" because they dont have enough money to buy food Yes, Germany is a wealthy country but most of its citizens are poor.

denzil_correa 9y ago
> Yes, Germany is a wealthy country but most of its citizens are poor. What do you mean by "most of the citizens" are poor? I can understand if you say that Germany income gap is increasing but I can't understand this part.
- spacedude 9y ago
  Mostly because it's bullshit.
- kjdal2001 9y ago
  I think he is paraphrasing a quote from Kurt Vonnegut. "America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor..." http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/158414-america-is-the-wealthiest-nation-on-earth-but-its-people http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/158414-america-is-the-wealth...
moomin 9y ago
Yeah, we're constantly organising charity drives for the Heidelberg tent cities in the EU. Get a grip. It's a prosperous country with a decent social safety net and an extremely large middle class. And a record of electing sensible moderates, but I'm sure that's a complete coincidence.
someSven 9y ago
No one needs to get donated food. These leftovers are given away for free instead of throwing them away. Some people are using this for propaganda, and to many are falling for it.

shaqbert 9y ago

While your statement is indeed true, the German way of calculating unemployment is actually more conservative than the US way. There the ones who stop looking for work are dropped from the statistics...

jo909 9y ago

That is nothing new though. So in the boundaries of what this statistic actually measures, the number improved. The "real" statistic isn't a secret either and published at the same time by the same agency for everyone to see. http://m.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/a-1133354.html http://m.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/a-1133354.html

MrBuddyCasino 9y ago
But that article says the numbers improved considerably. Using the same method (and tricks) to calculate unemployment, the numbers went down from 7 million in 2005 to 4 million today.
davrosthedalek 9y ago
That's a very good article with a very fair description of the situation.

someSven 9y ago

There is no growing inequality. There are more one person househols and immigrants with lower wages.

thesagan 9y ago
I think a citation is needed, because I see a lot of cites of the opposite. One from a long list on a quick Google search: http://www.pulse.ng/world/angela-merkel-germany-wealth-inequality-gap-growing-wider-id6416980.html http://www.pulse.ng/world/angela-merkel-germany-wealth-inequ... http://www.france24.com/en/20170323-germany-wealth-inequality-gap-growing-wider http://www.france24.com/en/20170323-germany-wealth-inequalit... http://www.dw.com/en/study-income-inequality-reaches-new-high-in-germany/a-36009472 http://www.dw.com/en/study-income-inequality-reaches-new-hig... https://www.google.com/search?q=german+wealth+inequality&tbs=qdr:y https://www.google.com/search?q=german+wealth+inequality&tbs...
- someSven 9y ago
  Your cited sites don't care for the reason. But Germany had a lot of immigration of people which make more money in Germany than they could at home, but less than the more native population. Singles: https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-biggest-reason-for-income-inequality-is-single-parenthood/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjAqNbDt5vUAhUEiRoKHWp1Aj0QFggTMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFpAfRLds3_fYcuCFNsRtRNgAa8Ng https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-bi...
- someSven 9y ago
  Your cited sites don't care for the reason. But Germany had a lot of immigration of people which make more money in Germany than they could at home, but less than the more native population. Singles: http://www.google.es/url?q=https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/19/the-biggest-reason-for-income-inequality-is-single-parenthood/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjAqNbDt5vUAhUEiRoKHWp1Aj0QFggTMAQ&usg=AFQjCNFpAfRLds3_fYcuCFNsRtRNgAa8Ng http://www.google.es/url?q=https://www.forbes.com/sites/thea...