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Wonder if any country would take a stand and sanction the USA for "not doing their fair share to save the world". Like imposing a climate tax on US imports.. Th
by reacharavindh 9y ago
Wonder if any country would take a stand and sanction the USA for "not doing their fair share to save the world". Like imposing a climate tax on US imports.. That'd be interesting.
- celticninja 9y agoThats what I would like to see done and seems like the most appropriate way to deal with it.
- theBobBob 9y agoYeah. They could say that this is to counter the price advantage that the US exports get by pulling out of environmental obligations. Not sure how this would play with the WTO. Plus it probably won't happen anyways.
- spiderfarmer 9y agoIt won't happen. The diplomatic way is to not escalate things and just ignore the elephant in the room until it disappears. 3,5 years is not that long.
- YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y agoYou misspelled 7.5 years.
- dang 9y agoWould you please stop posting inflammatory comments to HN and getting involved in flamewars? We eventually ban accounts that do that, and you've done a lot of it.
- williamle8300 9y agoWhat authority would tax the US? And why would the US even care about complying to it?
- jbooth 9y agoThe authority in charge of imports in any given country?
- Kudos 9y agoCountry, or trading bloc such as the EU. The US can't negotiate directly with EU member states, as Trump discovered repeatedly in a meeting with Merkel.
- jrkatz 9y agoOP's language wasn't clear but I expect they mean additional tariffs on US goods.
- monkmartinez 9y agoAnd what would a "stand" look like, exactly? A "climate tariff" kind of made me laugh, as the repercussions of doing that would not be pretty.
- SonCake 9y agoLess pretty than the consequences of climate change?
- tgragnato 9y agoTrump tells NATO members to pay "fair share"... A proper "stand" could look like a BIG NO to an increase in NATO spending. Investing in a European military alliance is sufficient for the matters we are facing. > The US is no longer a reliable ally and Europe's destiny is 'in our own hands'.
- spiderfarmer 9y agoI don't hope so. It would give Trump ammunition for his next campaign. "The rest of the world is treating us very unfairly". Also, how will the rest of the world know if the US is doing their fair share if the US stops sharing data?
- gaze 9y agoAmmunition of the sort you're talking about doesn't really matter when they're willing to just lie.
- spiderfarmer 9y agoIf you have seen how they push lies, you should see how they push narratives that are half true.
- Grangar 9y agoGee, I remember the last time a country thought it was being treated unfairly. That ended well.
- candu 9y agoAnother avenue would be emissions / environmental impact limits on various categories of goods. This would incentivize US business to go around the Trump administration's back and do the right thing anyways, just so they can continue to have access to these markets. In any event, any effective global approach to these issues will need to have some legal and/or economic force, so the US is really just shooting itself in the foot by bucking the trend. Maybe we'll have a couple hundred more coal jobs nationwide to show for it, though :s
- monkmartinez 9y agoDon't we, USA, already have some of the toughest climate laws in the world?
- Alex3917 9y agoThere isn't any legally binding cap on on climate emissions in the U.S. There are some energy efficiency laws, but aside from that we don't really have any climate laws at all.
- mac01021 9y agoIn the land of the blind...
- PietdeVries 9y agoyou refer to for instance those US Postal service LLV's that do 10 miles to the gallon (converts to 4.3 km per liter)? https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3xqc4m/til_the_main_vehicle_for_the_us_postal_service/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3xqc4m/til_t...
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- pvnick 9y agoInteresting (and perhaps emotionally satisfying), yes. Productive, no. Imposing tariffs is akin to shooting yourself in the foot if what you really want is innovation in clean energy.
- polack 9y agoI hope people just stop buying american products instead. That will have greater effect, both economically and politically.
- aaron-lebo 9y agoWell, the first step would be to boycott this forum which is hosted in the US. You first?
- Grangar 9y agoThat probably wouldn't result in any noticeable damage at all. Boycotting goods and paid services has a larger direct impact and I'm all for it.
- aaron-lebo 9y agoSo where do you propose to start? Who's going to step up to the plate and do it?
- Grangar 9y agoHonestly I wouldn't know. How do movements like this get started?
- Gravityloss 9y agoI wonder how the energy usage spreads. Routers, Cloudflare caches, broadband providers, wifi modem, laptop, browser.
- SeanDav 9y agoPerhaps we should be taking a stand and boycotting goods from China? According to this source, China has double the emissions of USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di... If looked at on a per capita basis, Australia and quite a few other countries are worse than USA.
- deanCommie 9y ago...China also has MORE THAN FOUR TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE as the USA. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+china+divided+by+population+of+USA https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+china+di...
- rcMgD2BwE72F 9y agoThat would be interesting indeed. Isn't a large part of the emissions generated by China the result of producing stuff ordered/purchased by the USA?
- dghughes 9y agoChina is cutting out coal even turning back ships from North Korea mid shipment. And China is said to be spending $360 billion over the next three years implementing more green power sources. But has already installed a lot of solar and wind. In fact "one new wind turbine per hour in 2015" according to Greenpeace.
- frankzinger 9y ago> China has double the emissions of USA: No idea why my sibling commenter deanCommie was killed, but his point seems good to me: according to your own source USA's per capita emissions are more than twice as high as China's.