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USA pulls out of Paris climate deal
- Gravityloss 9y agoDo you think the Paris climate deal was/is potentially an effective way to limit emissions?
- jackyinger 9y agoIt was better than nothing. It's better to have less progress than necessary than regression.
- ythn 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician%27s_syllogism
- Gravityloss 9y agoI don't think that's logically the same thing.
- ythn 9y agoIt's not exactly the same, but still similar: 1. This is something 2. Something is better than nothing (is it?)
- splawn 9y agoIm sure its better than nothing. Also when Trump pulls out of it, its effectiveness is not a factor. Reminder: He thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax.
- jaddood 9y agoI believe that although it is not useless, the only real way to fight climate change, as in everything else, is to have educated and conscious people who will protect the environment with a moral cause not a legal, weak one.
- bryanlarsen 9y agoThe actual headline is "Trump 'poised to quit Paris climate deal'"
- k-mcgrady 9y agoCurrent post title is: "USA pulls out of Paris climate deal". Article title is: "Trump 'poised to quit Paris climate deal". More than likely it's going to happen in the next few hours but until then the title is inaccurate.
- jswny 9y agoAgree. Why even bother changing the title? It's already pretty clear what Trump's intentions are, there's no need to embellish anything.
- rgbrenner 9y agoNot hours. Trump tweeted earlier today he'll make the announcement "over the next few days". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869903459511918592 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/86990345951191859... So the title is purely speculation.
- simias 9y agoIt's not official but many news outlets have sources telling them the decision has been made. Although given how quickly Trump has changed his mind on some issues in the past, it's probably better to wait for the official announcement indeed...
- midgetjones 9y agoYes, we must focus on the real issues here
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- voidhorse 9y agoRegardless of the deal itself, pulling out of this is a huge move as far as foreign policy and the U.S. relation to the rest of the world is concerned. This most certainly sets the U.S. in a new light/new orientation on the global economic scale, and reiterates the sense of growing detachment Merkel recently espoused.
- simias 9y agoAs a non-american that was my main worry about the Trump presidency. Well here we are. I wonder how much more time well waste not actively fighting climate change because of this. At least I hope that the rest of the world will stay true to its word, but if america gains an unfair economical advantage by not following the rules I can't really imagine how it could work out. Could Europe and China impose sanctions on the USA for pulling out of the deal? Seems very doubtful.
- smt88 9y agoChina has limited power over the US because it relies so heavily on US consumption and because the US owes Chins a staggering amount of money.
- problems 9y agoThe craziest part to me is that they've got some of the fastest developing countries on the planet, the ones bringing millions of people out of rural poverty every year committed to this - but a country that's so much further along than that is bailing out of it. It just doesn't add up. If India and China can do it, the USA has no excuses.
- panzagl 9y agoAren't developing countries the ones benefiting directly from the treaty?
- danso 9y agoMore details from the NYT, in which it was noted that things are not final, as President Trump is set to meet with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson this afternoon. Tillerson has been advocating on behalf of sticking to the deal: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/climate/trump-quits-paris-climate-accord.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/climate/trump-quits-paris... > And Mr. Trump has proved himself willing to shift direction up until the moment of a public announcement. He is set to meet Wednesday afternoon with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who has advocated that the United States remain a part of the Paris accords and could continue to lobby the president to change his mind.
- Algent 9y agoCan they actually even pull out ? Deal was signed, US can easily choose not to apply but pull out I'm surprised.
- leereeves 9y agoWas it ever ratified by the Senate?
- jakewins 9y agoSure, the US isn't even in the agreement currently, it hasn't been ratified by the Senate. Independent of which, international treatises are treated by US law as part of regular domestic legislation, meaning any treaty the US enters can be exited by any act of congress that supersedes it, just like any regular domestic US law. This, as an aside, is why it's been constitutional for the US to break all the treatises written with native American tribes.
- maxerickson 9y agoTreaties and agreements like this one also usually specify an orderly withdrawal procedure.
- therealmarv 9y agoAmerica first! Planet Earth second.
- edelans 9y agoSo this is how America becomes great again... Wow, I'm impressed.
- accountyaccount 9y agoTelling 199 other countries that you can't commit to something is just generally a bad move on its own.