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haha, good point. Though I prefer being productive on and off work time :)

by kristerv 9y ago

eikenberry 9y ago
Work from home. You can actually get the best of both worlds.
- kristerv 9y ago
  I seem to have this thing for honesty. If I intend to "work from home" but really do everything but, then I'd rather just work out some deal. Plus I like coming to the office, it's social.
  - Swizec 9y ago
    The idea is that you still do the 5 to 6 hours of actual work and replace the 2 to 4 hours of shallow socializing with gym time or hobbies or deep socializing with friends/family/kids. At the very least you replace the 1 to 2 hours of commuting with the above. Honestly, living across the street from the office, I'm pretty fine going into work every day. The 5minute commute is bearable. My only problem is not being allowed to work from home when I have tight deadlines. I'm much more productive at home.
- vidarh 9y ago
  I find I work more when I work from home. Partly I think because making my effort level visible is more important when people don't see me in a chair all day. But yes, it's still nice to not have to keep up appearances when you for whatever reason can't concentrate.
  - fivestar 9y ago
    And yet, the current MBA groupthink trend is that remote workers are scum and must be dealt with accordingly. Insane.
    - sageabilly 9y ago
      Which makes zero sense to me because study after study after study has come out and said remote work makes for happier and more productive employees and saves the company money.
      - ntsplnkv2 9y ago
        Doesn't have to be full time, either. Work from home 2 days a week has really changed my life for the better.
    - Imagenuity 9y ago
      Obviously trying to hide the fact that MBAs are scum, and should be dealt with accordingly.
- gkya 9y ago
  That does not necessarily work for everyone. For some work is an important part of social life, and some are not able to maintain a working discipline at home (frankly, me).
- christophilus 9y ago
  Yes. I work for a 100% remote company, and it is awesome. I don't think it's for everyone, but for me, it hits the sweet spot. I get to walk with my wife or play with my dog or putter around the garden during breaks or when I need to step away to clear my head. It's great. I use local meetups on the rare occasion when I crave in-person tech socialization. The one thing I do miss and haven't solved 100% is the ability to whiteboard with fellow engineers. We just Skype and share our screens. It's good, but not as good as whiteboarding.
  - kristerv 9y ago
    The guys next to my office are developing a digital whiteboard. You should try it out https://www.deekit.com/ https://www.deekit.com/
eeZah7Ux 9y ago
We got to the point where everybody knows that software developers cannot possibly work productively for 8 hours a day. Yet, the privilege of spending 2 non-productive hours somewhere else is costing the employee 20% of the salary. It's almost like a tax on not partaking in optics.

haha, good point. Though I prefer being productive on and off work time :)

eikenberry 9y ago

Work from home. You can actually get the best of both worlds.

kristerv 9y ago
I seem to have this thing for honesty. If I intend to "work from home" but really do everything but, then I'd rather just work out some deal. Plus I like coming to the office, it's social.
- Swizec 9y ago
  The idea is that you still do the 5 to 6 hours of actual work and replace the 2 to 4 hours of shallow socializing with gym time or hobbies or deep socializing with friends/family/kids. At the very least you replace the 1 to 2 hours of commuting with the above. Honestly, living across the street from the office, I'm pretty fine going into work every day. The 5minute commute is bearable. My only problem is not being allowed to work from home when I have tight deadlines. I'm much more productive at home.
vidarh 9y ago
I find I work more when I work from home. Partly I think because making my effort level visible is more important when people don't see me in a chair all day. But yes, it's still nice to not have to keep up appearances when you for whatever reason can't concentrate.
- fivestar 9y ago
  And yet, the current MBA groupthink trend is that remote workers are scum and must be dealt with accordingly. Insane.
  - sageabilly 9y ago
    Which makes zero sense to me because study after study after study has come out and said remote work makes for happier and more productive employees and saves the company money.
    - ntsplnkv2 9y ago
      Doesn't have to be full time, either. Work from home 2 days a week has really changed my life for the better.
  - Imagenuity 9y ago
    Obviously trying to hide the fact that MBAs are scum, and should be dealt with accordingly.
gkya 9y ago
That does not necessarily work for everyone. For some work is an important part of social life, and some are not able to maintain a working discipline at home (frankly, me).
christophilus 9y ago
Yes. I work for a 100% remote company, and it is awesome. I don't think it's for everyone, but for me, it hits the sweet spot. I get to walk with my wife or play with my dog or putter around the garden during breaks or when I need to step away to clear my head. It's great. I use local meetups on the rare occasion when I crave in-person tech socialization. The one thing I do miss and haven't solved 100% is the ability to whiteboard with fellow engineers. We just Skype and share our screens. It's good, but not as good as whiteboarding.
- kristerv 9y ago
  The guys next to my office are developing a digital whiteboard. You should try it out https://www.deekit.com/ https://www.deekit.com/

eeZah7Ux 9y ago

We got to the point where everybody knows that software developers cannot possibly work productively for 8 hours a day. Yet, the privilege of spending 2 non-productive hours somewhere else is costing the employee 20% of the salary. It's almost like a tax on not partaking in optics.