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Most of the Yandex developers are not that good or not loyal to a company. This classes in universities is a scam: instead of teaching people of real world thin

by ex3ndr 9y ago

Most of the Yandex developers are not that good or not loyal to a company. This classes in universities is a scam: instead of teaching people of real world things, they teach how to work with yandex tech stack. Yandex lost almost all good developers and it is continue even further. Companies rent offices near yandex and find yandex developers in the restaurants around this buildings and convince them to leave. This is very easy to make a decision to leave yandex for them. Once i came to talk to yandex and ask - why they don't make good experience for mobile apps in their search results? Why they are not indexing anything related to apps? Answer was simple - user then will use this apps instead of yandex. And such toxic ideas are pretty common in the company. Talking about maps - they pushed out of the market one of the most awesome maps application in the russia. It had crappy UI, but it always make correct estimates and was able to learn your behaviour (more than 5 years ago!). While their app doesn't work at all but it couldn't because they need real drivers to make sane navigation. Then they pushed it to a taxis with a very simple trick - for taxis they made routes LONGER than it should be. This got them big fleet of a taxis. (sorry no proofs, but they are on russian and you won't understand it anyway) I hope they won't be that successful with their crappy product on the roads (they failed in almost everything in last years) and it will be much harder to compete for smaller teams as everyone will say "huh, but there are yandex guys already!". This video is a too dumb for a year of work. Voyage are better already, but they are a small team unlike yandex. Geohotz was even faster.

salimmadjd 9y ago
I agree with you regarding their maps and products. I stopped using google maps here in these area because of all the inaccuracies, but at the same time the UI/UX of Yandex is horrible. I do not understand why they could not create better product with better UX. It's so frustrating to use their product and it's such a shame how they manage their team based on what you're telling me. I've been told by current CS/infomratic students here that, Yandex school teaches their student a lot about heavy math CS concepts instead of a specific language.
Dolores12 9y ago
> This classes in universities is a scam Wow, calling Yandex classes scam is bold accusation. Are you saying that the tech stack the Yandex is using is not from real world? > Answer was simple - user then will use this apps instead of yandex. Yandex is a business, not charity. It is the same reason why google will never use encryption in their email. Because they will not be able to scan for email content to display relevant advertisement. Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. You didn't pass yandex test, right? :)
- wordupmaking 9y ago
  > Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. You didn't pass yandex test, right? :) That cuts both ways - you don't see a problem with the needy practices of pretty much all major and many minor tech players, right? You don't get sick with all this mediocrity adorned with euphemisms, all this crap called awesome and all the greatness in life belittled? Do you honestly know not a single person that does quality work they can be honest about for a fair price that you would assume it's either "business" or "charity"? > Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. The "argument" that "it's a business so hey" could justify anything, including robbing people, as long as you don't get caught. You know that providing value for society is one of the reasons societies let corporations operate at all, right? Modern business seems to think now that the bath tub is filled nicely (for them), there's no need for the plug anymore.
n0mad-1 9y ago
> This classes in universities is a scam: instead of teaching people of real world things, they teach how to work with yandex tech stack. Is that true? The sample curriculum [0] doesn't seem to support that. [0] https://yandexdataschool.com/edu-process/program/data-analysis https://yandexdataschool.com/edu-process/program/data-analys...
- addmeaning 9y ago
  Machine learning lectures with Konstantin Vorontsov are one of the most brilliant course I ever seen. Konstantin is super smart, every topic explained in in-depth and with proper mathematical background. Video lectures of Yandex Data School - real thing, world class CS theory
codedokode 9y ago
Why add apps content into web search results? Using a website is much more comfortable than installing an app, checking its permissions, registering an account etc.
getsiu 9y ago
As a former employee of Yandex I totally disagree with what you said about 'not that good' developers and their loyalty. It seems to me that the most common reason for leaving the company is immigration, which has nothing to do with Yandex itself. All my ex colleagues who left Yandex work abroad at Google, Facebook, MS and etc. Also I've seen many very good developers who cared a lot about their products. So my impression is somewhat opposite to what you described.
- dmix 9y ago
  The OP doesn't seem to work there and seems like an outsider who thinks he knows how to run a company better than the people on the inside. This obviously misses a lot of moving parts and internal incentives (which yes may ultimately created a bad product). But I'd personally rather hear the experiences of people directly involved with the company. I don't see anything wrong with training people on their tech stack either. That's not a scam, that's a highly valuable skillset if it gets you a job and experience. You can always learn other languages on your own, which is 10x easier after you know one.
5165ff7e11ab 9y ago
Ugh, so much hate... It is okay to criticize the company and its products (nobody is perfect). But calling yandex data analysis school (I assume that is what you mean by "classes in universities") a "scam" is just disingenuous. It is not a scam, it is basically a charity. First, it is free, no strings attached. You are even under no obligation to work for them afterwards (not even a moral one). The only price the students pay is that yandex becomes kind of an obvious place for internship, so many of the students apply (only then will they learn how to work with the "yandex tech stack", but that's the point of internship, no?) Allowing students to work with the yandex tech stack would be a hassle anyway - students would need to get access to the intranet, sign the nda etc... So these evil scammers teach them fundamental CS and machine learning concepts instead. I guess the rest of the comment is similarly disingenuous and inaccurate.

by ex3ndr 9y ago

salimmadjd 9y ago

I agree with you regarding their maps and products. I stopped using google maps here in these area because of all the inaccuracies, but at the same time the UI/UX of Yandex is horrible. I do not understand why they could not create better product with better UX. It's so frustrating to use their product and it's such a shame how they manage their team based on what you're telling me. I've been told by current CS/infomratic students here that, Yandex school teaches their student a lot about heavy math CS concepts instead of a specific language.

Dolores12 9y ago

> This classes in universities is a scam Wow, calling Yandex classes scam is bold accusation. Are you saying that the tech stack the Yandex is using is not from real world? > Answer was simple - user then will use this apps instead of yandex. Yandex is a business, not charity. It is the same reason why google will never use encryption in their email. Because they will not be able to scan for email content to display relevant advertisement. Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. You didn't pass yandex test, right? :)

wordupmaking 9y ago
> Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. You didn't pass yandex test, right? :) That cuts both ways - you don't see a problem with the needy practices of pretty much all major and many minor tech players, right? You don't get sick with all this mediocrity adorned with euphemisms, all this crap called awesome and all the greatness in life belittled? Do you honestly know not a single person that does quality work they can be honest about for a fair price that you would assume it's either "business" or "charity"? > Overall i find your reply very negative and zero value. The "argument" that "it's a business so hey" could justify anything, including robbing people, as long as you don't get caught. You know that providing value for society is one of the reasons societies let corporations operate at all, right? Modern business seems to think now that the bath tub is filled nicely (for them), there's no need for the plug anymore.

n0mad-1 9y ago

> This classes in universities is a scam: instead of teaching people of real world things, they teach how to work with yandex tech stack. Is that true? The sample curriculum [0] doesn't seem to support that. [0] https://yandexdataschool.com/edu-process/program/data-analysis https://yandexdataschool.com/edu-process/program/data-analys...

addmeaning 9y ago
Machine learning lectures with Konstantin Vorontsov are one of the most brilliant course I ever seen. Konstantin is super smart, every topic explained in in-depth and with proper mathematical background. Video lectures of Yandex Data School - real thing, world class CS theory

codedokode 9y ago

Why add apps content into web search results? Using a website is much more comfortable than installing an app, checking its permissions, registering an account etc.

getsiu 9y ago

As a former employee of Yandex I totally disagree with what you said about 'not that good' developers and their loyalty. It seems to me that the most common reason for leaving the company is immigration, which has nothing to do with Yandex itself. All my ex colleagues who left Yandex work abroad at Google, Facebook, MS and etc. Also I've seen many very good developers who cared a lot about their products. So my impression is somewhat opposite to what you described.

dmix 9y ago
The OP doesn't seem to work there and seems like an outsider who thinks he knows how to run a company better than the people on the inside. This obviously misses a lot of moving parts and internal incentives (which yes may ultimately created a bad product). But I'd personally rather hear the experiences of people directly involved with the company. I don't see anything wrong with training people on their tech stack either. That's not a scam, that's a highly valuable skillset if it gets you a job and experience. You can always learn other languages on your own, which is 10x easier after you know one.

5165ff7e11ab 9y ago

Ugh, so much hate... It is okay to criticize the company and its products (nobody is perfect). But calling yandex data analysis school (I assume that is what you mean by "classes in universities") a "scam" is just disingenuous. It is not a scam, it is basically a charity. First, it is free, no strings attached. You are even under no obligation to work for them afterwards (not even a moral one). The only price the students pay is that yandex becomes kind of an obvious place for internship, so many of the students apply (only then will they learn how to work with the "yandex tech stack", but that's the point of internship, no?) Allowing students to work with the yandex tech stack would be a hassle anyway - students would need to get access to the intranet, sign the nda etc... So these evil scammers teach them fundamental CS and machine learning concepts instead. I guess the rest of the comment is similarly disingenuous and inaccurate.