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I don't know what to tell you. My definition and the one you linked to do not disagree with each other. Maybe where you are misunderstanding is that commodity

by mowenz 9y ago

I don't know what to tell you. My definition and the one you linked to do not disagree with each other. Maybe where you are misunderstanding is that commodity food is actually extremely cheap. The world can be fed on a tiny fraction of global GDP. Or, maybe it's this: Post scarcity does not have to mean 100% free, just that it can be possible to be available to everyone at very low cost--which it is. Getting that last bit of price drop to 0 can be difficult or improbable, and the definition of post scarcity does not require it, nor should it.

ThomPete 9y ago
Post Scarcity society is way more than just food. That was what I was referring to. There isn't post scarcity food exactly because it doesn't work financially as people need access to it too which have nothing to do with greed as it has to do with logistics. It's not even close to being very low cost to make sure everyone have food in this world not even close.
- mowenz 9y ago
  To be fair I have backpacked around the world and lived on 10$ a day on food and I could have lived on $5 if I didn't indulge. I even have maintained a high level of fitness and good muscle mass this way, so I was consuming well above survival rate of nutrition. Additionally, I was travelling most of the time in developed countries, and not selecting cheapest options. And certainly was buying small amounts at retail prices. So say 2$ a day as an aggressive estimate of what can keep an average person alive. @ 2$ per person you can feed the world for 5 trillion a year. That's not even 7% of global GDP, and it's not even including home production. So with 7% of global production we can feed every single person--as an upper level estimate. I would bet it's possible to get below 50c per person. That's not a cheap price?
  - ZenoArrow 9y ago
    How did you afford to live on $5-$10 a day in developed countries? I'm guessing couch surfing for accommodation, walking or buses for transport, and cooking all your own food, but would be interested to hear how you did it. Also, which developed countries were the cheapest and most expensive to live in?
    - mowenz 9y ago
      Just 10$ for food, not everything.
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by mowenz 9y ago

ThomPete 9y ago

Post Scarcity society is way more than just food. That was what I was referring to. There isn't post scarcity food exactly because it doesn't work financially as people need access to it too which have nothing to do with greed as it has to do with logistics. It's not even close to being very low cost to make sure everyone have food in this world not even close.

mowenz 9y ago
To be fair I have backpacked around the world and lived on 10$ a day on food and I could have lived on $5 if I didn't indulge. I even have maintained a high level of fitness and good muscle mass this way, so I was consuming well above survival rate of nutrition. Additionally, I was travelling most of the time in developed countries, and not selecting cheapest options. And certainly was buying small amounts at retail prices. So say 2$ a day as an aggressive estimate of what can keep an average person alive. @ 2$ per person you can feed the world for 5 trillion a year. That's not even 7% of global GDP, and it's not even including home production. So with 7% of global production we can feed every single person--as an upper level estimate. I would bet it's possible to get below 50c per person. That's not a cheap price?
- ZenoArrow 9y ago
  How did you afford to live on $5-$10 a day in developed countries? I'm guessing couch surfing for accommodation, walking or buses for transport, and cooking all your own food, but would be interested to hear how you did it. Also, which developed countries were the cheapest and most expensive to live in?
  - mowenz 9y ago
    Just 10$ for food, not everything.
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