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I've contracted exclusively for investment banks in London for the past 6 years (with the exception of a brief stint at the FSA). The reason I stick with it is
by pmjoyce 16y ago
I've contracted exclusively for investment banks in London for the past 6 years (with the exception of a brief stint at the FSA). The reason I stick with it is the exact reason you specify: the money, or more accurately for me, what the money allows me to do. The majority of the developers I work with have painted themselves into a corner with the money they've made working at banks such that they have no other option but to keep working at banks to maintain the lifestyle they've come to take for granted. The money allowed them to buy large houses, nice cars and good things but it also means they'll have to face a significant downturn in lifestyle if they ever want to move to a different sector not to mind starting a startup.
From the outset I was always conscious of not falling into the same subtle but dangerous trap. I'm not sure why, probably because I never felt 100% comfortable in a corporate environment and knew a some level that I didn't want to be trapped by it. The upshot is that we don't live a lavish lifestyle such that when the income is throttled down the adjustment isn't as severe. We don't own our house, we rent (we're actually quite nomadic so this decision is only partly financially related), no fancy car, we don't tend to spend money on fine dining and entertainment or a lot of the trappings that people often face.
This has allowed me to make choices that were right for me like taking a full 3 months off on the birth of our first child and only going back to work (for an IB I contracted with previously) for 3 days per week for the subsequent 9 months. This really allowed us the time as a family to adjust to our new circumstances. It also allowed me to experiment with a few projects that had been on my mind for a while - nothing significant just the first dip of my toes into the world of startups. Since then we've had another child - again I was able to spend a lot of time with him. I've also been able to try out a few more projects which, although not successful, have allowed me to further experiment and find my feet conceiving and building products. As a result I'm now on the brink throwing myself full time into my own bootstrapped startup which is about to open to beta.
So yes, while I agree that the money to be made from working in investment banks is great, I'd warn against getting too sucked in with the cash if you ever want to keep the door ajar for other things. Well done for making the jump into the startup world, it's a brave move I hope to join you soon. Don't pine for working at a bank, if you value creativity and and the opportunity to strike out on your own (which you clearly do), you've made the right choice whatever the outcome.
- mvalle 16y agoSo you could work for an investment bank, make a lot of money, use as little of it as possible and save the rest, then after a few years, quit and use the savings to fund a start-up? Sounds like a plan to me...
- nostrademons 16y agoThis is basically what every investment banker does. Virtually every investment banker has "their number", the amount of money they need to quit investment banking and go do whatever it is they want to do with the rest of their life. Very few of them ever actually meet it - or rather, they'll meet their initial "number" early in their 30s, but by then their number will have grown by a few million more, as they realize that sticking with the job for just another year or two will give them another half a million more or some insane amount. It gets to be a treadmill - every time you're about to quit, there's another carrot dangled right in front of you, and it takes a lot of willpower to say "No, I'm done" and leave. The head of BizDev at the financial software startup I used to work at was one of the lucky ones who got out (and he told me the above observation). You occasionally see other ex-financiers in the startup world, eg. Jeff Bezos or Joshua Schacter, but in general you don't see very many ex-investment-bankers. Most of them seem to still be working on Wall St. BTW, this applies to other professions as well. An engineer frequently will see "just one more technical challenge that needs solving before I can get to the good, world-changing stuff." (I'm dealing with that now - I keep getting distracted from the ideas I really want to do by the various low-hanging fruit.) An experienced teacher will think "Just one more year with the kids, then I'll retire." Startups are nice in that they have clearly delineated endgames; most salaried professions are not like that.
- ig1 16y agoYep. That's what I'm doing. With the full support of my bank as well (they know I'm working on my start-up in my spare time, they've arranged to pay me in a fashion that's tax efficient allowing me to invest my money in my startup pre-tax, etc.). There are plenty of people doing it, at any start-up event I go to (in London) I run into current and former banking peeps.