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I trusted them until they de facto fired a prominent employee for his political opinions - opinions shared by a large portion of the population. If they can do

I trusted them until they de facto fired a prominent employee for his political opinions - opinions shared by a large portion of the population. If they can do that to an employee, what can't they do to you, an anonymous user? That said, I stick with Firefox for private use. But the trust is gone.

oculusthrift 9y ago
so because they didn't want an alt-right bigot as their ceo it somehow means they're going to spy on users?
- yellowapple 9y ago
  "alt-right bigot" See, that's why Eich's "resignation" is a massive red flag for me. Plenty of perfectly-decent people have misinformed political opinions. Any reasonable person could separate those personal beliefs from professional merits. Instead, though, we have lots of unreasonable people who look at a handful of political beliefs (including past ones that may or may not still be in effect) as some sign that a person is irredeemably and permanently "evil". I have many friends, family members, and coworkers who have political viewpoints that I find to be reprehensible. Some are diehard "Make America Great Again (but only for white people)" Republicans. Some are diehard "If you're not with Hillary and every last one of her political stances, you're a deplorable and evil person" Democrats. I'm able to maintain civil and productive relationships with these people because I'm able to see past political differences and recognize these people as human beings with perfectly valid (albeit horribly misinformed) opinions. If Eich's resignation (forced or not) has no effect on Firefox users or the persecution thereof, then neither would Eich's continued tenure as CEO affect users. Same goes for Mozilla staff; unless there's actual evidence that Eich would have discriminated against non-heterosexual staff in a professional setting, the idea that Eich was somehow unfit to lead the project which he cofounded was a premature and unfounded idea at the very least.
joecool1029 9y ago
The last thing we were keeping it around for was the extension support, but they unfortunately killed that so I now recommend Edge over Firefox for resource-constrained systems. It's not there yet, but it's got a brighter future than Firefox. But yeah nothing pissed me off more than them saying they support choice when they kill off well-supported standards they don't like [1], fire employees over their (common) religious beliefs [2], take the longest to roll out critical security features [3], and prioritize shitty UI updates that nearly everyone hates [4]. All I keep hearing is that the new multi-process is so much faster, everything is great now, but every time I run it on fairly decent systems (i7 from late 2013) it takes multiple seconds to switch tabs. It really is a joke that their head of marketing wasn't fired for that post, it only supports the true thing that Mozilla has come to stand for: hypocrisy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_SQL_Database https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_SQL_Database [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich [3] https://community.qualys.com/thread/12421 https://community.qualys.com/thread/12421 [4] https://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/23/80-unhappy-firefoxs-australis-interface-mozilla-report-states/ https://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/23/80-unhappy-firefoxs-austra...
- johnsmith21006 9y ago
  Would stay away from Edge until matures. There has been significant Edge security issues way more frequently than I would be comfortable.
Sylos 9y ago
There's no evidence for Mozilla having fired him. All we know is that the media was doing a witch hunt on him and he decided to step back.
- joecool1029 9y ago
  “It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting, [...] The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.” Mitchell Baker, Mozilla Executive Chairwoman EDIT: The parent said there was no evidence, here is evidence that the board already made its mind up, whether you like it or not is of no consequence. It's still evidence of that bias.
  - wodenokoto 9y ago
    He resigned. That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him. Neither Eich nor the rest of Mozilla could figure out how to handle the huge media backlash, so they simply decided to give up. Mozilla has a history of being very weak against media onslaughts.
    - joecool1029 9y ago
      >He resigned. So did Nixon when it was clear he was going to be removed from office anyway. >That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him. Are you honestly going to tell me that he would not have been removed by a board that makes statements like the above? Here's a better thing to say: 'no comment'
dang 9y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439446 and marked it off-topic.

oculusthrift 9y ago

so because they didn't want an alt-right bigot as their ceo it somehow means they're going to spy on users?

yellowapple 9y ago
"alt-right bigot" See, that's why Eich's "resignation" is a massive red flag for me. Plenty of perfectly-decent people have misinformed political opinions. Any reasonable person could separate those personal beliefs from professional merits. Instead, though, we have lots of unreasonable people who look at a handful of political beliefs (including past ones that may or may not still be in effect) as some sign that a person is irredeemably and permanently "evil". I have many friends, family members, and coworkers who have political viewpoints that I find to be reprehensible. Some are diehard "Make America Great Again (but only for white people)" Republicans. Some are diehard "If you're not with Hillary and every last one of her political stances, you're a deplorable and evil person" Democrats. I'm able to maintain civil and productive relationships with these people because I'm able to see past political differences and recognize these people as human beings with perfectly valid (albeit horribly misinformed) opinions. If Eich's resignation (forced or not) has no effect on Firefox users or the persecution thereof, then neither would Eich's continued tenure as CEO affect users. Same goes for Mozilla staff; unless there's actual evidence that Eich would have discriminated against non-heterosexual staff in a professional setting, the idea that Eich was somehow unfit to lead the project which he cofounded was a premature and unfounded idea at the very least.

joecool1029 9y ago

The last thing we were keeping it around for was the extension support, but they unfortunately killed that so I now recommend Edge over Firefox for resource-constrained systems. It's not there yet, but it's got a brighter future than Firefox. But yeah nothing pissed me off more than them saying they support choice when they kill off well-supported standards they don't like [1], fire employees over their (common) religious beliefs [2], take the longest to roll out critical security features [3], and prioritize shitty UI updates that nearly everyone hates [4]. All I keep hearing is that the new multi-process is so much faster, everything is great now, but every time I run it on fairly decent systems (i7 from late 2013) it takes multiple seconds to switch tabs. It really is a joke that their head of marketing wasn't fired for that post, it only supports the true thing that Mozilla has come to stand for: hypocrisy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_SQL_Database https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_SQL_Database [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich [3] https://community.qualys.com/thread/12421 https://community.qualys.com/thread/12421 [4] https://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/23/80-unhappy-firefoxs-australis-interface-mozilla-report-states/ https://www.ghacks.net/2013/11/23/80-unhappy-firefoxs-austra...

johnsmith21006 9y ago
Would stay away from Edge until matures. There has been significant Edge security issues way more frequently than I would be comfortable.

Sylos 9y ago

There's no evidence for Mozilla having fired him. All we know is that the media was doing a witch hunt on him and he decided to step back.

joecool1029 9y ago
“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting, [...] The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.” Mitchell Baker, Mozilla Executive Chairwoman EDIT: The parent said there was no evidence, here is evidence that the board already made its mind up, whether you like it or not is of no consequence. It's still evidence of that bias.
- wodenokoto 9y ago
  He resigned. That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him. Neither Eich nor the rest of Mozilla could figure out how to handle the huge media backlash, so they simply decided to give up. Mozilla has a history of being very weak against media onslaughts.
  - joecool1029 9y ago
    >He resigned. So did Nixon when it was clear he was going to be removed from office anyway. >That Baker parrots Eichs own explanation for resigning does not make it so that she fired him. Are you honestly going to tell me that he would not have been removed by a board that makes statements like the above? Here's a better thing to say: 'no comment'

dang 9y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439446 and marked it off-topic.