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I bet you don't mean at central locations, because 10-20 miles further to your workplace, as most of Londoners or Berliners can afford to live, you have afforda

by aries1980 9y ago

I bet you don't mean at central locations, because 10-20 miles further to your workplace, as most of Londoners or Berliners can afford to live, you have affordable housing in SV as well.

KitDuncan 9y ago
That's an interesting aspect I didn't consider. Another issue though is traffic during rush hour in Silicon Valley. I can see myself traveling 20 miles in/around Munich in half an hour, while in Silicon Valley, that would probably take me 1.5 hours, because of the pretty much non existent public transportation.
- aries1980 9y ago
  London is not much better. E.g. from Hammersmith (a posh, well connected area) to Old Street (aka “Tech City”), this 14km journey is 46 mins from underground station to underground station, both are north to the river. https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?IsAsync=true&JpType=publictransport&InputFrom=Hammersmith%2C+London%2C+United+Kingdom&Modes=bus%2Ctube%2Cnational-rail%2Cdlr%2Coverground%2Ctflrail%2Criver-bus%2Ctram%2Ccable-car%2Ccoach&From=Hammersmith%2C+London%2C+United+Kingdom&FromId=&PreviousFrom=Greenwich&InputTo=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&To=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&ToId=1000169&PreviousTo=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&TimeIs=arriving&Date=20170531&Time=0900&IsMapRequired=False&Mode=bus&Mode=tube&Mode=national-rail&Mode=dlr&Mode=overground&Mode=tflrail&Mode=river-bus&Mode=tram&Mode=cable-car&Mode=coach&CyclePreference=AllTheWay&WalkingSpeedWalking=average&JourneyPreference=leasttime&AccessibilityPreference=norequirements&MaxWalkingMinutes=40&WalkingSpeedTransport=average&InputVia=&Via=&ViaId=&PreviousVia=&NationalSearch=false&WalkingOptimization=false&SavePreferences=false&IsMultipleJourneySelection=False&JourneyType=&IsPastWarning=False https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?IsAsync=true&JpTyp... Sure, you can move around to carve down 10 mins, but then you give up to live in realitvely nice, convenient area populated middle class people and yet not as expensive as Chelsea or Chiswick. If you live further, your journey time from station to station is not much longer, but only if you are lucky and there is no delay in the service, which happens almost daily.
morsch 9y ago
Berlin isn't anywhere near as expensive as you seem to think. Housing costs seems to be at around half of London's level. https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/london https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/london https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/berlin https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/berlin 1000 to 1250 EUR for a 900 Sqft apartment.

I bet you don't mean at central locations, because 10-20 miles further to your workplace, as most of Londoners or Berliners can afford to live, you have affordable housing in SV as well.

KitDuncan 9y ago

That's an interesting aspect I didn't consider. Another issue though is traffic during rush hour in Silicon Valley. I can see myself traveling 20 miles in/around Munich in half an hour, while in Silicon Valley, that would probably take me 1.5 hours, because of the pretty much non existent public transportation.

aries1980 9y ago
London is not much better. E.g. from Hammersmith (a posh, well connected area) to Old Street (aka “Tech City”), this 14km journey is 46 mins from underground station to underground station, both are north to the river. https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?IsAsync=true&JpType=publictransport&InputFrom=Hammersmith%2C+London%2C+United+Kingdom&Modes=bus%2Ctube%2Cnational-rail%2Cdlr%2Coverground%2Ctflrail%2Criver-bus%2Ctram%2Ccable-car%2Ccoach&From=Hammersmith%2C+London%2C+United+Kingdom&FromId=&PreviousFrom=Greenwich&InputTo=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&To=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&ToId=1000169&PreviousTo=Old+Street%2C+Old+Street+Station&TimeIs=arriving&Date=20170531&Time=0900&IsMapRequired=False&Mode=bus&Mode=tube&Mode=national-rail&Mode=dlr&Mode=overground&Mode=tflrail&Mode=river-bus&Mode=tram&Mode=cable-car&Mode=coach&CyclePreference=AllTheWay&WalkingSpeedWalking=average&JourneyPreference=leasttime&AccessibilityPreference=norequirements&MaxWalkingMinutes=40&WalkingSpeedTransport=average&InputVia=&Via=&ViaId=&PreviousVia=&NationalSearch=false&WalkingOptimization=false&SavePreferences=false&IsMultipleJourneySelection=False&JourneyType=&IsPastWarning=False https://tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey/results?IsAsync=true&JpTyp... Sure, you can move around to carve down 10 mins, but then you give up to live in realitvely nice, convenient area populated middle class people and yet not as expensive as Chelsea or Chiswick. If you live further, your journey time from station to station is not much longer, but only if you are lucky and there is no delay in the service, which happens almost daily.

morsch 9y ago

Berlin isn't anywhere near as expensive as you seem to think. Housing costs seems to be at around half of London's level. https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/london https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/london https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/berlin https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/berlin 1000 to 1250 EUR for a 900 Sqft apartment.