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Wishful thinking, and hilarious that I had to clear a cookie notification just to read the first part of the article. It's that kind of forward thinking web bur

by tyrw 9y ago

Wishful thinking, and hilarious that I had to clear a cookie notification just to read the first part of the article. It's that kind of forward thinking web bureaucracy that has allowed SV to flourish.

mbaha 9y ago
I didn't understand your comment. 1) Do you think cookie notifications are a bad thing ? 2) Do you think it is web bureaucracy ? If so, laws protecting every european citizen with digital neutrality are also bureaucratic ?
- UweSchmidt 9y ago
  Personal Observation: Cookies are an antipattern since you have to sully your webdesign with this awful message.
- johansch 9y ago
  I don't even know where to begin with this one. I guess it's hilarious that we have found a defender of the incredibly stupid EU cookie notification law on an actual tech forum. Or maybe just sad. One of the two. It's unique though!
  - pluma 9y ago
    The implementation is bad. The intentions were good. The point of cookie notifications was to make users aware of tracking cookies (i.e. the kind used by Facebook, Google and other advertisers to follow you across the sites you visit) and ultimately require user consent. Sadly the actual law ended up far less nuanced and the way people implemented it completely bypasses the original intent (mostly because website owners and lawyers don't care about the distinction or don't understand it).
- tortasaur 9y ago
  There's a difference between protecting citizens and overloading them with meaningless warnings that just end up desensitizing them.
  - Noseshine 9y ago
    Indeed. Fortunately there is a filter-list [0] for my ad blocker with the sole purpose of blocking these EU cookie warnings :-) [0] List homepage: http://prebake.eu/ http://prebake.eu/
pluma 9y ago
While I agree that cookie warnings are an example of good intentions gone bad, as an EU resident I am EXTREMELY grateful for the consumer protection laws and privacy laws that ultimately resulted in that decision. Whenever I'm at an international conference and see a talk about challenging ethical problems in software development it ends up being about practices that would be blatantly illegal under EU (and specifically, German) law in the first place. Not every aspect of SV startup culture is awesome. I'm quite happy to live in a country where certain unethical behavior just isn't legal, even if it means less innovation and less bloated valuations.

by tyrw 9y ago

mbaha 9y ago

I didn't understand your comment. 1) Do you think cookie notifications are a bad thing ? 2) Do you think it is web bureaucracy ? If so, laws protecting every european citizen with digital neutrality are also bureaucratic ?

UweSchmidt 9y ago
Personal Observation: Cookies are an antipattern since you have to sully your webdesign with this awful message.
johansch 9y ago
I don't even know where to begin with this one. I guess it's hilarious that we have found a defender of the incredibly stupid EU cookie notification law on an actual tech forum. Or maybe just sad. One of the two. It's unique though!
- pluma 9y ago
  The implementation is bad. The intentions were good. The point of cookie notifications was to make users aware of tracking cookies (i.e. the kind used by Facebook, Google and other advertisers to follow you across the sites you visit) and ultimately require user consent. Sadly the actual law ended up far less nuanced and the way people implemented it completely bypasses the original intent (mostly because website owners and lawyers don't care about the distinction or don't understand it).
tortasaur 9y ago
There's a difference between protecting citizens and overloading them with meaningless warnings that just end up desensitizing them.
- Noseshine 9y ago
  Indeed. Fortunately there is a filter-list [0] for my ad blocker with the sole purpose of blocking these EU cookie warnings :-) [0] List homepage: http://prebake.eu/ http://prebake.eu/

pluma 9y ago

While I agree that cookie warnings are an example of good intentions gone bad, as an EU resident I am EXTREMELY grateful for the consumer protection laws and privacy laws that ultimately resulted in that decision. Whenever I'm at an international conference and see a talk about challenging ethical problems in software development it ends up being about practices that would be blatantly illegal under EU (and specifically, German) law in the first place. Not every aspect of SV startup culture is awesome. I'm quite happy to live in a country where certain unethical behavior just isn't legal, even if it means less innovation and less bloated valuations.