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cope with a changing population Why is it just westerners/whites who are expected to cope with a changing population? Can you imagine a scenario in which say

cope with a changing population Why is it just westerners/whites who are expected to cope with a changing population? Can you imagine a scenario in which say Beijing, or Tokyo, or Jakarta, or Riyadh, or Nairobi, or Lagos, or Mumbai were filled with a foreign population that was greater than 50% of the total population for the city? Can you imagine a scenario where any country outside the western world had demographic numbers showing that foreigners outnumbering the founding population group of the country in the sub 25 age group? These scenarios are unimaginable and quite absurd even to ponder for anywhere outside of white countries. And yet, have you been to London? Have you looked at demographic charts? People can raise objections to the population displacement you seem to favor without it having anything to do with "racism, scapegoating, and a general inability to cope," or "muh jerbs." There are plenty of westerners who think, "We've got a pretty good thing going here, we've brought a lot of good to ourselves and the world as a whole. And we'd rather not see our civilization drastically altered, because a drastic altering of our civilization will impede our efforts and abilities to go on doing good for ourselves and the world."

crooked-v 9y ago
> that was greater than 50% of the total population for the city? So... where, exactly, is this supposed to be analogous to?
- canoebuilder 9y ago
  have you been to London? https://www.google.com/search?q=london+demographics https://www.google.com/search?q=london+demographics
- ng12 9y ago
  San Diego was over 90% non-Hispanic whites up until the 50's, now they represent roughly 45% of the population -- and that's excluding many of the major Hispanic enclaves south of the city proper.
- dracht 9y ago
  In the three largest cities in the Netherlands (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague), the Dutch are a minority.
bubbleRefuge 9y ago
Good points. But the fact is when you have a relatively rich country to the north and countries to the south that are poor, gang infested, unimaginably corrupt(bad security, education, and health care), fraught with inequality, and having increasingly desperate people, migration is inevitable. Why isn't more attention paid to helping those southern neighbors out so there is less incentive ? Lots of oil down south !!!!
wbl 9y ago
People who move to our civilization like ours more.
fensterblick 9y ago
Regarding Mumbai, it depends on how you define "foreigner". The native population of Marathis only totals 22% in Mumbai. For some in India, these inter-Indian distinctions matter greatly. It is just pedantic nitpicking. The remainder of your argument still stands and is interesting to think about.
rtpg 9y ago
>Jakarta is pluralistic and religiously diverse. The city's population in 2000 was 35.16% Javanese, 27.65% Betawi, and 15.27% Sundanese. Betawi people are a creole ethnic group that came from various parts of Indonesia and intermarriage with Chinese, Arabs, and Europeans Jakarta is basically a mix of a bunch of populations. Loads of south-east Asia has a lot of immigrants (2nd, 3rd generation too) from China and other places. Hell, China is not exactly a homogenous population either. Not to mention lost of Europe had other ethnic populations that were overridden by people of Christendom. All those wars ends with a lot of intermingling. And of course the US committed massive genocide to make everyone "white". Your complaint lays on some pretty false premises.
yorwba 9y ago
> Why is it just westerners/whites who are expected to cope with a changing population? I'm living in Shanghai, and I certainly expect the Chinese to cope with my presence. It has been going well so far; at worst I get kids pointing their fingers at me. It probably helps that I'm more a curiosity than part of an invading horde. Of course if there were a sudden influx of foreigners large enough to significantly alter the population statistics, there would probably be a strong backlash; partly due to the influence on the housing market and partly due to plain racism, but I wouldn't be more accepting of that than if it happens in the west. Basically, I like having the opportunity of moving to any country I want, so why shouldn't the same hold for anyone who wants to come to my home country?
- thriftwy 9y ago
  Can I turn it backwards? I would like to decide who gets to move in around me and who doesn't, and I am content that I will be subject of the same filtering if I would to move. I am already a subject of filtering anyway (by having to get entry visas for EU & USA).
- dracht 9y ago
  > Basically, I like having the opportunity of moving to any country I want, so why shouldn't the same hold for anyone who wants to come to my home country? Why should your countrymen back home, the vast majority of which have no desire to emigrate, bear the cost of you being able to live in China? I'd gladly give up my opportunity to move to any country if it put a stop to and reverted the disastrous waves of immigration in western Europe of the last two decades.

crooked-v 9y ago

> that was greater than 50% of the total population for the city? So... where, exactly, is this supposed to be analogous to?

canoebuilder 9y ago
have you been to London? https://www.google.com/search?q=london+demographics https://www.google.com/search?q=london+demographics
ng12 9y ago
San Diego was over 90% non-Hispanic whites up until the 50's, now they represent roughly 45% of the population -- and that's excluding many of the major Hispanic enclaves south of the city proper.
dracht 9y ago
In the three largest cities in the Netherlands (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague), the Dutch are a minority.

bubbleRefuge 9y ago

Good points. But the fact is when you have a relatively rich country to the north and countries to the south that are poor, gang infested, unimaginably corrupt(bad security, education, and health care), fraught with inequality, and having increasingly desperate people, migration is inevitable. Why isn't more attention paid to helping those southern neighbors out so there is less incentive ? Lots of oil down south !!!!

wbl 9y ago

People who move to our civilization like ours more.

fensterblick 9y ago

Regarding Mumbai, it depends on how you define "foreigner". The native population of Marathis only totals 22% in Mumbai. For some in India, these inter-Indian distinctions matter greatly. It is just pedantic nitpicking. The remainder of your argument still stands and is interesting to think about.

rtpg 9y ago

>Jakarta is pluralistic and religiously diverse. The city's population in 2000 was 35.16% Javanese, 27.65% Betawi, and 15.27% Sundanese. Betawi people are a creole ethnic group that came from various parts of Indonesia and intermarriage with Chinese, Arabs, and Europeans Jakarta is basically a mix of a bunch of populations. Loads of south-east Asia has a lot of immigrants (2nd, 3rd generation too) from China and other places. Hell, China is not exactly a homogenous population either. Not to mention lost of Europe had other ethnic populations that were overridden by people of Christendom. All those wars ends with a lot of intermingling. And of course the US committed massive genocide to make everyone "white". Your complaint lays on some pretty false premises.

yorwba 9y ago

> Why is it just westerners/whites who are expected to cope with a changing population? I'm living in Shanghai, and I certainly expect the Chinese to cope with my presence. It has been going well so far; at worst I get kids pointing their fingers at me. It probably helps that I'm more a curiosity than part of an invading horde. Of course if there were a sudden influx of foreigners large enough to significantly alter the population statistics, there would probably be a strong backlash; partly due to the influence on the housing market and partly due to plain racism, but I wouldn't be more accepting of that than if it happens in the west. Basically, I like having the opportunity of moving to any country I want, so why shouldn't the same hold for anyone who wants to come to my home country?

thriftwy 9y ago
Can I turn it backwards? I would like to decide who gets to move in around me and who doesn't, and I am content that I will be subject of the same filtering if I would to move. I am already a subject of filtering anyway (by having to get entry visas for EU & USA).
dracht 9y ago
> Basically, I like having the opportunity of moving to any country I want, so why shouldn't the same hold for anyone who wants to come to my home country? Why should your countrymen back home, the vast majority of which have no desire to emigrate, bear the cost of you being able to live in China? I'd gladly give up my opportunity to move to any country if it put a stop to and reverted the disastrous waves of immigration in western Europe of the last two decades.