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I agree with you. I don't think it's right but we're in a shitty situation now. You have the following choices: 1. Choose to fire the now reasonably well o

I agree with you. I don't think it's right but we're in a shitty situation now. You have the following choices: 1. Choose to fire the now reasonably well off employees forcing them to go back to a previous lines of employment that were less lucrative 2. Force companies to stop outsourcing labor which will in turn make it more likely for other countries to create similar sanctions like this against you. 3. Make companies pay foreign employees a "reasonable" rate based on local offering thereby making these jobs infinitely more lucrative then even well-educated professions and ultimately tilting their economy in an unwanted direction. We live in times where economic action is also foreign policy. How would you like it if a country richer then yours started offering jobs for 100x the average wage that you are used to? Would you try and get one of those jobs? Would people start expecting that wage in other places? Would this change the way the market behaves? > The destitute, desperately grasping at the crumbs dropped on the floor by the rich, is not a positive thing I wouldn't call the Philippines destitute. I know a few people who'd be offended by that characterization. I'd also ask: why are these people doing these jobs if it's not better then what they were doing before? Better either being higher pay, easier labor, or more enjoyable work environment.

developer2 9y ago
>> why are these people doing these jobs The only question is "why are rich American companies outsourcing to the poor?". There's no reason why they have to. They can entirely afford paying full market wage in the US. If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary. Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate.
- gravypod 9y ago
  >If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary. That's not how economies work. > Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate. I see no reason what that should be disallowed in my moral structure. If you don't think that's a reasonable wage don't take that job. You won't see any takers.
- winstonewert 9y ago
  Why do you think Americans should get these jobs over Fillipinos?
  - mistermann 9y ago
    One "reason" would be that FB derives the most income from the US, especially compared to the US. They certainly benefit from the US education system, which at least in part benefits from the infrastructure and social environment in the US that was created and paid for over a long period of time by essentially all Americans. In the past, you wouldn't even have to ask this question, you would employ Americans as a matter of principle, as a matter of pride, to give back and reinforce this shared infrastructure and society for the benefit of future generations. But then, none of this really matters in the new and improved globalist every man for himself world. (While the executives preach the virtues of socialist values.)
    - mistermann 9y ago
      "especially compared to the the Philippines"
  - icantdrive55 9y ago
    Because Mark grew up in a relatively safe, fair society. His parents sent him to good public schools. America cradles middle, and upper income future entrepreneurs. Could Mark have built FB in the Philippines? Probably not. So yes, it bothers me when guys/companies take all the United States has to offers, and then turn around look for the cheapest labor--usually in countries that treat their citizens like cattle. Just because they are all doing it, doesn't make it right? Personally, I would love to see a federal statue enacted. Basically, it would be if you move any part of your business overseas; the CEO, and all the board members need to go too. Could anyone imagine Tim Cook, or Mark and his wife living in the Philippines, or China. I think they would rethink their penny pinching overnight. I think of the guys whom died fighting for the rights that Mark benefited from, and he can't hire a few unemployed Coal Workers? Or, the homeless he drives by when he leaves his compound?

developer2 9y ago

>> why are these people doing these jobs The only question is "why are rich American companies outsourcing to the poor?". There's no reason why they have to. They can entirely afford paying full market wage in the US. If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary. Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate.

gravypod 9y ago
>If it's acceptable to outsource, then it should be legal to hire within the US for the same salary. That's not how economies work. > Let Americans make $2/hour if that is the acceptable rate. I see no reason what that should be disallowed in my moral structure. If you don't think that's a reasonable wage don't take that job. You won't see any takers.
winstonewert 9y ago
Why do you think Americans should get these jobs over Fillipinos?
- mistermann 9y ago
  One "reason" would be that FB derives the most income from the US, especially compared to the US. They certainly benefit from the US education system, which at least in part benefits from the infrastructure and social environment in the US that was created and paid for over a long period of time by essentially all Americans. In the past, you wouldn't even have to ask this question, you would employ Americans as a matter of principle, as a matter of pride, to give back and reinforce this shared infrastructure and society for the benefit of future generations. But then, none of this really matters in the new and improved globalist every man for himself world. (While the executives preach the virtues of socialist values.)
  - mistermann 9y ago
    "especially compared to the the Philippines"
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  Because Mark grew up in a relatively safe, fair society. His parents sent him to good public schools. America cradles middle, and upper income future entrepreneurs. Could Mark have built FB in the Philippines? Probably not. So yes, it bothers me when guys/companies take all the United States has to offers, and then turn around look for the cheapest labor--usually in countries that treat their citizens like cattle. Just because they are all doing it, doesn't make it right? Personally, I would love to see a federal statue enacted. Basically, it would be if you move any part of your business overseas; the CEO, and all the board members need to go too. Could anyone imagine Tim Cook, or Mark and his wife living in the Philippines, or China. I think they would rethink their penny pinching overnight. I think of the guys whom died fighting for the rights that Mark benefited from, and he can't hire a few unemployed Coal Workers? Or, the homeless he drives by when he leaves his compound?