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Eventually you get to understand these operators (and, after all they essentially mean append/concatenate/join in one sense or another... so it's basically add

Eventually you get to understand these operators (and, after all they essentially mean append/concatenate/join in one sense or another... so it's basically add stuff to other stuff), and as for implicits, they make code much easier to follow if they are used sparingly and for good reasons. What makes Scala code (with implicits) hard to follow can be type classes, and understanding how all the pieces of the language fit together in these cases. As for immutability making things slow... Well, personally I start writing code for humans (and immutability makes the code much easier to read for humans). _If_ speed is an issue then I consider dropping immutability. So far have had no issues with Scala. Also depending on how much speed I need I wouldn't even think about using Scala.

killin_dan 9y ago
That's what they say about perl. Keep trying and itll make sense! Granted, scala can be written to read much easier than perl, but that argument in particular don't carry much weight imo.
- RBerenguel 9y ago
  The thing is, in Scala you can do really crazy and complicated stuff (see Shapeless, Cats, etc) that in other languages (with exceptions, of course) would be extremely hard or downright impossible. In Scala, it is just hard, but doable, but implies code being hard to read because what you are doing _is_ hard. This does not detract from doing as much as you can to make it readable, but sometimes it is impossible, or at least impossible to someone not used to it. I'm not good enough with Scala to understand some of it (yet, I hope) but this is something that is bugging me lately. Some things (in general, I'm not talking just about programming here) are hard. No matter how much sugar-coating, some stuff is hard to understand, complex and not everyone can get to the bottom of it. It just happens in some programming languages, happens in most of mathematics, physics and computer science.

killin_dan 9y ago

That's what they say about perl. Keep trying and itll make sense! Granted, scala can be written to read much easier than perl, but that argument in particular don't carry much weight imo.

RBerenguel 9y ago
The thing is, in Scala you can do really crazy and complicated stuff (see Shapeless, Cats, etc) that in other languages (with exceptions, of course) would be extremely hard or downright impossible. In Scala, it is just hard, but doable, but implies code being hard to read because what you are doing _is_ hard. This does not detract from doing as much as you can to make it readable, but sometimes it is impossible, or at least impossible to someone not used to it. I'm not good enough with Scala to understand some of it (yet, I hope) but this is something that is bugging me lately. Some things (in general, I'm not talking just about programming here) are hard. No matter how much sugar-coating, some stuff is hard to understand, complex and not everyone can get to the bottom of it. It just happens in some programming languages, happens in most of mathematics, physics and computer science.