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I think you should not put IT specialists from India and Poland in the one bag. Polish engineers are sometimes a bit late when it comes to the new technologies,

by funkyy 9y ago

I think you should not put IT specialists from India and Poland in the one bag. Polish engineers are sometimes a bit late when it comes to the new technologies, but are very good compared to ones from, for example, Ireland.

gaius 9y ago
Polish engineers are sometimes a bit late when it comes to the new technologies, but are very good compared to ones from, for example, Ireland. It doesn't matter. They are no smarter than BA's original British engineers, but with decades less experience on those systems. Even if they were smarter - and in general the talent prefers to work for real companies, not bodyshops, so that's unlikely - they can't compensate for the lack of real experience. Only a person who believes experience doesn't matter would sign an outsourcing deal.
- matteo789 9y ago
  Polish engineers, similarly to Polish fighter jet pilots in WWII, who saved your lazy british asses BTW, do have high-reliability IT systems experience, due to major investment banks and GDSs operating in the Cracow area. Next time you write something, do some research dude. It shows how ignorant you brits are, especially taking into account the recent Brexit vote !
  - isostatic 9y ago
    Only 52% of us.
    - DanBC 9y ago
      Only 26% voted for Brexit. There's a bunch of people not eligible to vote; eligible but not-voting; as well as those voting against brexit.
    - matteo789 9y ago
      And nobody of your enlightened politicians explained to your oh-so-clever nation, that Switzerland has already tried to negotiate passporting rights despite remaining outside of the EU, but failed? That's why you have had the swiss banks mostly operating from the UK. They sold you the immigrant-hatred propaganda, especially against the well-assimilated Polish, while it's the Muslims making most damage to your society, but spared for the sake of political correctness and you 'swallowed it like young Pelicans' as we say in Poland. Please..., you are a case study for a democracy failure.
- funkyy 9y ago
  Decades? We are talking here about 2-3 years lag due to conservatist approach. You seem to know nothing about what you write.
  - gaius 9y ago
    Decades? We are talking here about 2-3 years lag due to conservatist approach. You seem to know nothing about what you write. You think the core systems of major airlines or any other large org turnover every 2-3 years? You think knowing the syntax of a particular language is comparable to decades of domain knowledge? You think that ANY 20-something, anywhere in the world, has decades of experience of anything?? No, YOU know nothing about what you write.
- sdfhbdf 9y ago
  > They are no smarter than BA's original British engineers, but with decades less experience on those systems Wow you really believe Poland is some third world country where we ride horses to our farms? They have experience, in some ways Poland is way ahead of UK in digitalization of many services. In great part because of thriving economy, great schools and excellent developers. Poland has some of the best programmers according to a study conducted by hackerrank https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/ https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-p...
  - gaius 9y ago
    Wow you really believe Poland is some third world country where we ride horses to our farms? No, I was in Poland just last week in fact. But my point stands: BA's own staff have been operating its systems for decades. No matter how good you are solving made-up puzzles on Hackerrank, you can't match that experience of those systems overnight. There would have been people at BA who'd been working on say the reservation system for 30+ years - and you're claiming your "hacker rank" can beat that. And THAT is why outsourcing always fails, that kind of belief. Apologies if that seems a bit harsh, but the assertion that "we do well on Hackerrank therefore we are as qualified to maintain legacy systems as their original authors" just doesn't make sense.

by funkyy 9y ago

gaius 9y ago

Polish engineers are sometimes a bit late when it comes to the new technologies, but are very good compared to ones from, for example, Ireland. It doesn't matter. They are no smarter than BA's original British engineers, but with decades less experience on those systems. Even if they were smarter - and in general the talent prefers to work for real companies, not bodyshops, so that's unlikely - they can't compensate for the lack of real experience. Only a person who believes experience doesn't matter would sign an outsourcing deal.

matteo789 9y ago
Polish engineers, similarly to Polish fighter jet pilots in WWII, who saved your lazy british asses BTW, do have high-reliability IT systems experience, due to major investment banks and GDSs operating in the Cracow area. Next time you write something, do some research dude. It shows how ignorant you brits are, especially taking into account the recent Brexit vote !
- isostatic 9y ago
  Only 52% of us.
  - DanBC 9y ago
    Only 26% voted for Brexit. There's a bunch of people not eligible to vote; eligible but not-voting; as well as those voting against brexit.
  - matteo789 9y ago
    And nobody of your enlightened politicians explained to your oh-so-clever nation, that Switzerland has already tried to negotiate passporting rights despite remaining outside of the EU, but failed? That's why you have had the swiss banks mostly operating from the UK. They sold you the immigrant-hatred propaganda, especially against the well-assimilated Polish, while it's the Muslims making most damage to your society, but spared for the sake of political correctness and you 'swallowed it like young Pelicans' as we say in Poland. Please..., you are a case study for a democracy failure.
funkyy 9y ago
Decades? We are talking here about 2-3 years lag due to conservatist approach. You seem to know nothing about what you write.
- gaius 9y ago
  Decades? We are talking here about 2-3 years lag due to conservatist approach. You seem to know nothing about what you write. You think the core systems of major airlines or any other large org turnover every 2-3 years? You think knowing the syntax of a particular language is comparable to decades of domain knowledge? You think that ANY 20-something, anywhere in the world, has decades of experience of anything?? No, YOU know nothing about what you write.
sdfhbdf 9y ago
> They are no smarter than BA's original British engineers, but with decades less experience on those systems Wow you really believe Poland is some third world country where we ride horses to our farms? They have experience, in some ways Poland is way ahead of UK in digitalization of many services. In great part because of thriving economy, great schools and excellent developers. Poland has some of the best programmers according to a study conducted by hackerrank https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/ https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-p...
- gaius 9y ago
  Wow you really believe Poland is some third world country where we ride horses to our farms? No, I was in Poland just last week in fact. But my point stands: BA's own staff have been operating its systems for decades. No matter how good you are solving made-up puzzles on Hackerrank, you can't match that experience of those systems overnight. There would have been people at BA who'd been working on say the reservation system for 30+ years - and you're claiming your "hacker rank" can beat that. And THAT is why outsourcing always fails, that kind of belief. Apologies if that seems a bit harsh, but the assertion that "we do well on Hackerrank therefore we are as qualified to maintain legacy systems as their original authors" just doesn't make sense.