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Climate scientist Phil Jones in Feb. 2005: ‘We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try a

Climate scientist Phil Jones in Feb. 2005: ‘We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?’ 'The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone.' You can say what you want about the antagonistic nature of climate science (the pro-AGW site skeptical science excuses the above quotes on that basis), but I think science flourishes best when opposing viewpoints are vigorously but truthfully defended. I find the above quotations inexcusable.

jellicle 9y ago
> vigorously but truthfully defended. Indeed! And the climate-deniers being talked about are very far indeed from truthful or scientific, so there's no point in doing anything to aid their campaign of deceit. They'll lie about it either way.
- ingenuous2 9y ago
  They must be given every opportunity to criticize. They don't need to be given the same attention, but have to be allowed to criticize or else we create sacred cows.
- kbutler 9y ago
  Justifying bad action (hiding or misrepresenting data, allowing untruthful hyperbolic statements, ad hominem attacks) on the basis of hypothetical bad action is hardly helpful. > climate-deniers I've never heard anyone deny the climate. I've never actually heard anyone deny climate change, except those who assert there was no significant change before the 19th or 20th century. Very few even deny anthropogenic climate change - most just question the magnitude, relative attribution, or whether it will be easier to adapt rather than attempt to prevent. You probably meant "catastrophic anthropogenic climate change denier", which is just an intentionally offensive way to say, "Someone who disagrees with the consensus position so we hope you'll ignore them".

jellicle 9y ago

> vigorously but truthfully defended. Indeed! And the climate-deniers being talked about are very far indeed from truthful or scientific, so there's no point in doing anything to aid their campaign of deceit. They'll lie about it either way.

ingenuous2 9y ago
They must be given every opportunity to criticize. They don't need to be given the same attention, but have to be allowed to criticize or else we create sacred cows.
kbutler 9y ago
Justifying bad action (hiding or misrepresenting data, allowing untruthful hyperbolic statements, ad hominem attacks) on the basis of hypothetical bad action is hardly helpful. > climate-deniers I've never heard anyone deny the climate. I've never actually heard anyone deny climate change, except those who assert there was no significant change before the 19th or 20th century. Very few even deny anthropogenic climate change - most just question the magnitude, relative attribution, or whether it will be easier to adapt rather than attempt to prevent. You probably meant "catastrophic anthropogenic climate change denier", which is just an intentionally offensive way to say, "Someone who disagrees with the consensus position so we hope you'll ignore them".