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It's the legal team's job to push back on any new requests for data. Obviously there _is_ a reasonable limit of what the government can ask Google to provide. T

It's the legal team's job to push back on any new requests for data. Obviously there _is_ a reasonable limit of what the government can ask Google to provide. This particular cost is obviously far less than that limit ought to be given the stakes involved and the size of Google, but again, Google should push back too early and the government should ask for too much, and the judge should find the reasonable middle ground. That's fine, that's how our legal system works, and I suspect this article is overblowing a typical procedural step in the process. All of that said, Google is not coming out looking like the good guy by fighting this case so hard. Their compensation analysts ought to be running these sorts of reports themselves. If they truly aren't, then that in itself is evidence (in my opinion) that Google is willfully neglecting its responsibility not to underpay its female employees.

eastWestMath 9y ago
If they aren't making efforts with their women employees, it would follow they aren't doing much to help out their black/Hispanic employees either.
- bArray 9y ago
  Asians are apparently "paid too much", so er, docking wages for being Asian, anybody?
  - helthanatos 9y ago
    White males are certainly paid too much! They should make half of what minority employees do!
    - bArray 9y ago
      I think you've been down-voted because your humour is too subtle. >White males are certainly paid too much! They should make half of what minority employees do! It certainly feels like this won't stop until that's the case.
      - bookmarkacc 9y ago
        Its not about bringing down white males. Its about bringing women and minorities to the same level. The comment is in poor taste
        bArray 9y ago
        Firstly, do we agree it was in jest? >Its about bringing women and minorities to the same level. I'm not sure I understand the difference? And I'm not sure other people do either. You're measuring from the average, so moving either moves the average which you're measuring from. From my understanding, you cannot tell the difference, therefore: "bringing down white males" == "bringing women and minorities to the same level" >The comment is in poor taste Personal perception. Nobody is telling anybody what to like or dislike. I had to read it twice to understand it, I think a little more obvious would have been better. But again, personal perception.
jacques_chester 9y ago
> It's the legal team's job to push back on any new requests for data. The legal team's ethics are not in question. They are upholding their fiduciary duty to be proactive, energetic representatives of what they consider -- or have been instructed -- is in Google's best interests. Google is also perfectly capable of instructing its lawyers to drop this argument. They have clearly chosen not to do so. It does them no credit.
- walshemj 9y ago
  yes going "fuck you" to the government is never a very good idea
Fiahil 9y ago
One interesting point would be to check pay gap data across countries. We would see if Google is caring a little about these issues or is completely in a no-fuck-given mode where minorities and gender gaps issues are put after their profit.

eastWestMath 9y ago

If they aren't making efforts with their women employees, it would follow they aren't doing much to help out their black/Hispanic employees either.

bArray 9y ago
Asians are apparently "paid too much", so er, docking wages for being Asian, anybody?
- helthanatos 9y ago
  White males are certainly paid too much! They should make half of what minority employees do!
  - bArray 9y ago
    I think you've been down-voted because your humour is too subtle. >White males are certainly paid too much! They should make half of what minority employees do! It certainly feels like this won't stop until that's the case.
    - bookmarkacc 9y ago
      Its not about bringing down white males. Its about bringing women and minorities to the same level. The comment is in poor taste
      - bArray 9y ago
        Firstly, do we agree it was in jest? >Its about bringing women and minorities to the same level. I'm not sure I understand the difference? And I'm not sure other people do either. You're measuring from the average, so moving either moves the average which you're measuring from. From my understanding, you cannot tell the difference, therefore: "bringing down white males" == "bringing women and minorities to the same level" >The comment is in poor taste Personal perception. Nobody is telling anybody what to like or dislike. I had to read it twice to understand it, I think a little more obvious would have been better. But again, personal perception.

jacques_chester 9y ago

> It's the legal team's job to push back on any new requests for data. The legal team's ethics are not in question. They are upholding their fiduciary duty to be proactive, energetic representatives of what they consider -- or have been instructed -- is in Google's best interests. Google is also perfectly capable of instructing its lawyers to drop this argument. They have clearly chosen not to do so. It does them no credit.

walshemj 9y ago
yes going "fuck you" to the government is never a very good idea

Fiahil 9y ago

One interesting point would be to check pay gap data across countries. We would see if Google is caring a little about these issues or is completely in a no-fuck-given mode where minorities and gender gaps issues are put after their profit.