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> our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelligent machines, in all areas of intellectual pursuit I could see myself losing the passion for softw

> our world is close to being completely upheaved by intelligent machines, in all areas of intellectual pursuit I could see myself losing the passion for software engineering and design if an AI can do it better. That would have to be a general AI, and hopefully another couple of decades away. I wonder if I could enjoy movies or books written by an AI. Scary to think about the psychological manipulation it would be capable of, especially if it lives inside a Google or Facebook datacenter.

mark_l_watson 9y ago
I think I read recently that Google is attacking the problem of deep learning nets writing the network and model specifications for new nets. I will try to find a reference for that. EDIT: this is not the same article I saw before, but same topic: https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/ https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai...
- nojvek 9y ago
  I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain. Today we already have phones augmenting humans. Those smart phones will keep getting smarter and smarter.
  - BoiledCabbage 9y ago
    Yes, but that period won't last long. Pretty soon the benefits of having all of that computing ability, unrestrained by human limitations will simply be too great to ignore. And just like it happened in Chess, some form of intelligent agent will be the absolute strongest, and humans will have a playground to move in. If right now, a hypothetical space aliens came to earth and said play one chess game for the survival of your planet, we'd absolutely put forward our strongest chess computer. Not a computer suggesting moves and a human ultimately choosing, but a computer to play the full game. This thinking will gradually seep down into less and less important tasks as costs go down, until they're used to analyze/decide/pick everything. Would you pick your own stocks when your AI can do it better? Would you choose your own health care plan when an AI can choose better? "Hey AI, I need a diet that wil work. You know my psychology, you know my will power, favorite foods, pick my food for me for the next 2 months." Then "do my job for me and give me the pay", "help my kid get better as soccer", "organize my schedule", "run my life for me". And don't think it won't happen. People are too competitive. It will be looked at oddly at first, but people will see the results and then feel they're being left behind if they don't do it too.
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  - zzalpha 9y ago
    I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain That's optimistic. I can't imagine it would be long before the AI saw things the other way around... and then began to wonder why it was bothering with that slow meat-coprocessor...
    - baq 9y ago
      That's why humanity has to create an AI in it's image - otherwise we create an ecological competitor instead of a useful friend.
Grazester 9y ago
I have been thinking about this a lot lately!!! I honestly feel a little depressed. I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field .
- doktrin 9y ago
  > I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field I don't follow. If a hypothetical general AI is sophisticated enough to replace software developers, wouldn't it also be capable of replacing AI / ML researchers?
  - Filligree 9y ago
    Yes, but that's the point at which you get recursive self-improvement. A little bit afterwards there'll be nothing humans are best at. Fortunately someone already started working on "fun theory". It won't be a sharp cut, though. Computers will begin partially automating AI development a while before it's fully automated.
  - nightski 9y ago
    I'd love to be proven wrong but that hypothetical general AI is at least decades away in my humble opinion. It's not going to happen without many more students and researchers in the machine learning/AI field. Now would be a great time to join and make contributions.
    - doktrin 9y ago
      > I'd love to be proven wrong but that hypothetical general AI is at least decades away in my humble opinion. I hope so. General AI is the source of dreams and nightmares, and I think it will take us decades just to adequately prepare for it from a safety & management perspective. > Now would be a great time to join and make contributions. Sincere question : short of embarking on a PhD, is AI research something the average dev (even a very, very enthusiastic one) can reasonably hope to contribute to?
dorgo 9y ago
I read a book "Rise of the Robots" and after some chapters I checked the last page almost expecting to read something like "By the way, this book was writen by a machine...". But no, no such luck :-P

mark_l_watson 9y ago

I think I read recently that Google is attacking the problem of deep learning nets writing the network and model specifications for new nets. I will try to find a reference for that. EDIT: this is not the same article I saw before, but same topic: https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/ https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai...

nojvek 9y ago
I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain. Today we already have phones augmenting humans. Those smart phones will keep getting smarter and smarter.
- BoiledCabbage 9y ago
  Yes, but that period won't last long. Pretty soon the benefits of having all of that computing ability, unrestrained by human limitations will simply be too great to ignore. And just like it happened in Chess, some form of intelligent agent will be the absolute strongest, and humans will have a playground to move in. If right now, a hypothetical space aliens came to earth and said play one chess game for the survival of your planet, we'd absolutely put forward our strongest chess computer. Not a computer suggesting moves and a human ultimately choosing, but a computer to play the full game. This thinking will gradually seep down into less and less important tasks as costs go down, until they're used to analyze/decide/pick everything. Would you pick your own stocks when your AI can do it better? Would you choose your own health care plan when an AI can choose better? "Hey AI, I need a diet that wil work. You know my psychology, you know my will power, favorite foods, pick my food for me for the next 2 months." Then "do my job for me and give me the pay", "help my kid get better as soccer", "organize my schedule", "run my life for me". And don't think it won't happen. People are too competitive. It will be looked at oddly at first, but people will see the results and then feel they're being left behind if they don't do it too.
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- zzalpha 9y ago
  I strongly believe AI will become a part of us like an external brain That's optimistic. I can't imagine it would be long before the AI saw things the other way around... and then began to wonder why it was bothering with that slow meat-coprocessor...
  - baq 9y ago
    That's why humanity has to create an AI in it's image - otherwise we create an ecological competitor instead of a useful friend.

Grazester 9y ago

I have been thinking about this a lot lately!!! I honestly feel a little depressed. I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field .

doktrin 9y ago
> I guess getting into AI would have to be the next step for people once interested in the programming field I don't follow. If a hypothetical general AI is sophisticated enough to replace software developers, wouldn't it also be capable of replacing AI / ML researchers?
- Filligree 9y ago
  Yes, but that's the point at which you get recursive self-improvement. A little bit afterwards there'll be nothing humans are best at. Fortunately someone already started working on "fun theory". It won't be a sharp cut, though. Computers will begin partially automating AI development a while before it's fully automated.
- nightski 9y ago
  I'd love to be proven wrong but that hypothetical general AI is at least decades away in my humble opinion. It's not going to happen without many more students and researchers in the machine learning/AI field. Now would be a great time to join and make contributions.
  - doktrin 9y ago
    > I'd love to be proven wrong but that hypothetical general AI is at least decades away in my humble opinion. I hope so. General AI is the source of dreams and nightmares, and I think it will take us decades just to adequately prepare for it from a safety & management perspective. > Now would be a great time to join and make contributions. Sincere question : short of embarking on a PhD, is AI research something the average dev (even a very, very enthusiastic one) can reasonably hope to contribute to?

dorgo 9y ago

I read a book "Rise of the Robots" and after some chapters I checked the last page almost expecting to read something like "By the way, this book was writen by a machine...". But no, no such luck :-P