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Because people reflexively rationalize and justify immoral behaviors and atrocities with that's just how the market works. It's a cop out, it's a perpetuation o

Because people reflexively rationalize and justify immoral behaviors and atrocities with that's just how the market works. It's a cop out, it's a perpetuation of the status quo and a barrier to improving it. Your argument is basically equivalent to 'trump isn't perfect, but he's a whole lot better than hitler'. While true, it's merely a distraction from the conversation at hand.

gozur88 9y ago
Are you trying to say offering people money to remove bodies and trash is immoral? How odd. >Your argument is basically equivalent to 'trump isn't perfect, but he's a whole lot better than hitler'. While true, it's merely a distraction from the conversation at hand. Is Trump climbing Everest?
mowenz 9y ago
He never rationalized immoral behavior, unless you consider climbing Mt Everest immoral. A lot of people risk their lives every day in their jobs. It's not typically seen as immoral to do this. I agree markets have failures, and they also shouldn't justify immoral behavior--I really sincerely agree with you on that--but in those cases, that happens because of externalities. In this case the externality is the dead bodies and litter, so a market solution isn't typically bad in this context.
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weberc2 9y ago
> Because people reflexively rationalize and justify immoral behaviors and atrocities with that's just how the market works. Maybe this happens, but it hasn't happened in this thread and it frequently doesn't happen in other threads before someone makes a big fuss about the market. And no, there's nothing immoral about compensating someone fairly to solve a dangerous problem; yes the opportunity will always be more appealing to the poor in a capitalist society, but there are no viable alternatives so I don't understand all of the complaining. > Your argument is basically equivalent to... No it's not; you simply misunderstood. My argument is that capitalism doesn't solve all problems, but no one has better ideas. Even the so-called socialist eutopias of northern Europe have a market-based economy. Again, I don't understand complaining about a problem with no candidate solutions.

gozur88 9y ago

Are you trying to say offering people money to remove bodies and trash is immoral? How odd. >Your argument is basically equivalent to 'trump isn't perfect, but he's a whole lot better than hitler'. While true, it's merely a distraction from the conversation at hand. Is Trump climbing Everest?

mowenz 9y ago

He never rationalized immoral behavior, unless you consider climbing Mt Everest immoral. A lot of people risk their lives every day in their jobs. It's not typically seen as immoral to do this. I agree markets have failures, and they also shouldn't justify immoral behavior--I really sincerely agree with you on that--but in those cases, that happens because of externalities. In this case the externality is the dead bodies and litter, so a market solution isn't typically bad in this context.

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weberc2 9y ago

> Because people reflexively rationalize and justify immoral behaviors and atrocities with that's just how the market works. Maybe this happens, but it hasn't happened in this thread and it frequently doesn't happen in other threads before someone makes a big fuss about the market. And no, there's nothing immoral about compensating someone fairly to solve a dangerous problem; yes the opportunity will always be more appealing to the poor in a capitalist society, but there are no viable alternatives so I don't understand all of the complaining. > Your argument is basically equivalent to... No it's not; you simply misunderstood. My argument is that capitalism doesn't solve all problems, but no one has better ideas. Even the so-called socialist eutopias of northern Europe have a market-based economy. Again, I don't understand complaining about a problem with no candidate solutions.