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Why would someone reading this assume that they will do something illegal? Why is that the conclusion that _anyone_ jumps to? Considered, if possible, that if

Why would someone reading this assume that they will do something illegal? Why is that the conclusion that _anyone_ jumps to? Considered, if possible, that if money isn't out by the deadline that they will do… some other legal and responsible thing with the money. Hand it over the the governing jurisdiction as "unclaimed property"? More pro-actively reach out to people? Nothing in this statement says they are going to do something illegal. There is no "…or we'll keep it". That line isn't in there. Your mind had to fabricate it. I don't understand the desire to actively interpret things in the worst possible way. When I read stuff like this my entire emotional reaction is "…okay". My mental model for the state of the world has been mutated, fine. Some people seem to read stuff and want to fight with whoever wrote it. It's a press release. It was a mildly important three hours of two people's day. They do not have time to deal with people who set out to misinterpret their intentions. How does anyone have time for this? Why am I still typing!

lgas 9y ago
I don't understand the desire to assume other people's interpretations are the results of them desiring to interpret things that way rather than having just interpreted them that way naturally.
- wwalser 9y ago
  This is entirely fair. I think when someone's take differs from our own, it's easy to assume that it took effort for them to get there. You're right though. It was probably just what jumped into their mind. When I do have a negative interpretation of someone's words, and I'm sure I'm less good at this than I like to imagine myself, I like to think that I at least try to imagine how they would have liked me to interpret those words. This sounds kind of, moral platitude-ish. I don't mean it in that way. Attempting to interpret someone charitably is a self defense. It's for me. I need to think this way to keep myself settled. If I don't, I end up angry at everything. I think you're right and I appreciate the insight. Thanks.
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michaelmrose 9y ago
People are in general bad, selfish, stupid creatures at heart. Corporations are entities in which the most selfish rise to the top. Any reading of intentions that gives corporate press releases even the slightest benefits of doubt is probably too charitable. Corporations at the best of times don't chop you up and feed you to pigs because you or your next of kin would stop giving them money. When it's on its way downhill even that incentive isn't terribly strong. Various corporate entities have repeatedly proved they would literally rather kill people than make less money if they think they can escape culpability and people still don't understand that you have no value to these people. "You can also initiate withdrawals for any collected funds to your bank account through the Tilt platform until June 12, 2017" A plain reading of these words is after 6-12 you cannot withdraw your money. If you were unclear you could check out the faq which reiterates this. The most charitable reading possible is that they know this would be illegal and intend to mislead people into believing this so that they will be able to close up shop easier.
camus2 9y ago
> Nothing in this statement says they are going to do something illegal. There is no "…or we'll keep it". That line isn't in there. Your mind had to fabricate it. The statement itself violates the law. It is setting up a deadline for customers to withdraw their funds which is completely illegal in all Europe.
- detaro 9y ago
  They are setting a deadline for withdrawal "through the platform" (which they presumably will shut down then), not explicitly for withdrawals at all. (I mean, it's possible that they are that dumb, but it seems highly unlikely and legally very clear cut)
  - camus2 9y ago
    > They are setting a deadline for withdrawal "through the platform" (which they presumably will shut down then), not explicitly for withdrawals at all. it doesn't matter, the nature itself of the statement is illegal in Europe at least.

lgas 9y ago

I don't understand the desire to assume other people's interpretations are the results of them desiring to interpret things that way rather than having just interpreted them that way naturally.

wwalser 9y ago
This is entirely fair. I think when someone's take differs from our own, it's easy to assume that it took effort for them to get there. You're right though. It was probably just what jumped into their mind. When I do have a negative interpretation of someone's words, and I'm sure I'm less good at this than I like to imagine myself, I like to think that I at least try to imagine how they would have liked me to interpret those words. This sounds kind of, moral platitude-ish. I don't mean it in that way. Attempting to interpret someone charitably is a self defense. It's for me. I need to think this way to keep myself settled. If I don't, I end up angry at everything. I think you're right and I appreciate the insight. Thanks.
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michaelmrose 9y ago

People are in general bad, selfish, stupid creatures at heart. Corporations are entities in which the most selfish rise to the top. Any reading of intentions that gives corporate press releases even the slightest benefits of doubt is probably too charitable. Corporations at the best of times don't chop you up and feed you to pigs because you or your next of kin would stop giving them money. When it's on its way downhill even that incentive isn't terribly strong. Various corporate entities have repeatedly proved they would literally rather kill people than make less money if they think they can escape culpability and people still don't understand that you have no value to these people. "You can also initiate withdrawals for any collected funds to your bank account through the Tilt platform until June 12, 2017" A plain reading of these words is after 6-12 you cannot withdraw your money. If you were unclear you could check out the faq which reiterates this. The most charitable reading possible is that they know this would be illegal and intend to mislead people into believing this so that they will be able to close up shop easier.

camus2 9y ago

> Nothing in this statement says they are going to do something illegal. There is no "…or we'll keep it". That line isn't in there. Your mind had to fabricate it. The statement itself violates the law. It is setting up a deadline for customers to withdraw their funds which is completely illegal in all Europe.

detaro 9y ago
They are setting a deadline for withdrawal "through the platform" (which they presumably will shut down then), not explicitly for withdrawals at all. (I mean, it's possible that they are that dumb, but it seems highly unlikely and legally very clear cut)
- camus2 9y ago
  > They are setting a deadline for withdrawal "through the platform" (which they presumably will shut down then), not explicitly for withdrawals at all. it doesn't matter, the nature itself of the statement is illegal in Europe at least.