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We all know that the law of car-driving-assholes means that any bike lane that a car is capable of entering, will be entered by a car = risk of death/injury. Th

We all know that the law of car-driving-assholes means that any bike lane that a car is capable of entering, will be entered by a car = risk of death/injury. The only way for bike lanes to be a safe method is to introduce barriers so cars CAN NOT ENTER AT ALL. Sadly there are so many roads that are too narrow for these bike lanes to exist as well as allow two way traffic as well as parking that I think the only way is to create one way roads from the old 2 way roads and have a segregated bike lane use up one car space, with barriers to cars, and parking one one side only. They have created trial bike lane on bloor street in Toronto, with only one parking lane (which alternates from side to side.) Bloor still has 2 way car traffic. I think one way is the way. Then with self driving cars(cab like, but lots cheaper) reducing the numbers of cars will help. http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=18ccded2f6711510VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=18cc...

pyromine 9y ago
How often do you bike in these protected bike lanes? My city has them and I intentionally avoid roads with them. It's more dangerous because every intersection the protection is broken for the turning lane and let me tell you, cars do not check for you before jumping in to that turning lane. It's terrifying.
- jaxbot 9y ago
  I think D.C. has some mixing zones that are gold standard: https://i0.wp.com/www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dc_mixing_zone.jpg?w&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2Cpx https://i0.wp.com/www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/201... Would love to see this in more places, because seriously, no other method is safe. For me, mixing zones usually mean merging over to the turn lane and riding to the right side of cars turning left (NYC puts bike lanes on the left side of the road).
dang 9y ago
> car-driving-assholes Please let's avoid the "car-driving assholes" vs. "bike-riding assholes" back-and-forth that usually plagues these threads. This is covered by the site guideline on classic flamewar topics. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tutufan 9y ago
Funny, as a pedestrian, I daily observe that any sidewalk a bicyclist is capable of riding on will be entered by a bike, with resulting risk of injury or death to pedestrians. I have indeed daydreamed about ways to introduce barriers to prevent bicyclists from riding on sidewalks, but without success. Any ideas?

pyromine 9y ago

How often do you bike in these protected bike lanes? My city has them and I intentionally avoid roads with them. It's more dangerous because every intersection the protection is broken for the turning lane and let me tell you, cars do not check for you before jumping in to that turning lane. It's terrifying.

jaxbot 9y ago
I think D.C. has some mixing zones that are gold standard: https://i0.wp.com/www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dc_mixing_zone.jpg?w&crop=0%2C0px%2C100%2Cpx https://i0.wp.com/www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/201... Would love to see this in more places, because seriously, no other method is safe. For me, mixing zones usually mean merging over to the turn lane and riding to the right side of cars turning left (NYC puts bike lanes on the left side of the road).

dang 9y ago

> car-driving-assholes Please let's avoid the "car-driving assholes" vs. "bike-riding assholes" back-and-forth that usually plagues these threads. This is covered by the site guideline on classic flamewar topics. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

tutufan 9y ago

Funny, as a pedestrian, I daily observe that any sidewalk a bicyclist is capable of riding on will be entered by a bike, with resulting risk of injury or death to pedestrians. I have indeed daydreamed about ways to introduce barriers to prevent bicyclists from riding on sidewalks, but without success. Any ideas?