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52 points 2 hours and this is on page two. Not a big surprise given how pro Government HN commenters can be.

dang 9y ago
That of course has little to do with it. You sound familiar enough with HN to know how many major threads about surveillance this site has hosted in the last 4 years. Probably hundreds of them by now. The original site was penalized the way all partisan/political sites are penalized here. We changed the URL to the article it pointed to.
Shivetya 9y ago
I would not claim HN readers are pro government, they are frighteningly pro government when those they do not agree with are in the cross hairs. this is exactly how the system gets to be so abusive. government, politicians and those in power, manipulate the system by playing off the fears, desires, and hatred, of the constituency. what those who frequent sites like this need to learn is to see that manipulation for what it is and stand firm against it regardless of who is the target. wrong is wrong, it does not become magically right if someone you don't like gets taken down. when they go we all go. the danger specific to FBI is that it has become way to political in recent years due in part with how the Department of Justice has. Organizations with powers such as these should have all political leanings minimized if not actively sought out and ended.
- narrowrail 9y ago
  Sure, you have the tribal-ists that are anti-Trump or anti-Obama, but I find there are many civil libertarians on HN. In 2013, during the wake of the Snowden release there must have been 3-5 threads per day. I don't feel qualified to assess the inner workings of the FBI, but there appear to be no checks on this surveillance power with any teeth. We need to fix this immediately. It should not be a partisan issue.
mindcrime 9y ago
FWIW, there are 2 or 3 libertarians / voluntaryists / anarcho-capitalists / whatever left hanging around... so not everybody is pro-government here.
- ue_ 9y ago
  Don't forget anarcho-Communists like me, I think there's a couple of us (or at least Socialists here).

dang 9y ago

That of course has little to do with it. You sound familiar enough with HN to know how many major threads about surveillance this site has hosted in the last 4 years. Probably hundreds of them by now. The original site was penalized the way all partisan/political sites are penalized here. We changed the URL to the article it pointed to.

Shivetya 9y ago

I would not claim HN readers are pro government, they are frighteningly pro government when those they do not agree with are in the cross hairs. this is exactly how the system gets to be so abusive. government, politicians and those in power, manipulate the system by playing off the fears, desires, and hatred, of the constituency. what those who frequent sites like this need to learn is to see that manipulation for what it is and stand firm against it regardless of who is the target. wrong is wrong, it does not become magically right if someone you don't like gets taken down. when they go we all go. the danger specific to FBI is that it has become way to political in recent years due in part with how the Department of Justice has. Organizations with powers such as these should have all political leanings minimized if not actively sought out and ended.

narrowrail 9y ago
Sure, you have the tribal-ists that are anti-Trump or anti-Obama, but I find there are many civil libertarians on HN. In 2013, during the wake of the Snowden release there must have been 3-5 threads per day. I don't feel qualified to assess the inner workings of the FBI, but there appear to be no checks on this surveillance power with any teeth. We need to fix this immediately. It should not be a partisan issue.

mindcrime 9y ago

FWIW, there are 2 or 3 libertarians / voluntaryists / anarcho-capitalists / whatever left hanging around... so not everybody is pro-government here.

ue_ 9y ago
Don't forget anarcho-Communists like me, I think there's a couple of us (or at least Socialists here).