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There will be a day when "just go flip burgers until something better comes along" will no longer be a valid retort. Jobs are vanishing and no amount of bootst

There will be a day when "just go flip burgers until something better comes along" will no longer be a valid retort. Jobs are vanishing and no amount of bootstraps will change that.

mcbruiser3 9y ago
> Jobs are vanishing... No, jobs are changing. Adapt or die.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  You might be surprised at who actually dies, should things get bad enough that people are starving in the streets. The French aristocracy circa 1789 was certainly surprised. Likewise the Russian aristocracy circa 1917.
  - mcbruiser3 9y ago
    right because it's always the case that those who do and have got to their situation unfairly, not due to hard work and intelligence or looking for opportunities, and that's the reason those who don't are poor, and therefore they deserve to die.
    - Turing_Machine 9y ago
      I'm not saying anything about "right" or "fair", or what people "deserve". I'm just pointing out the pragmatic consequences of your attitude.
      - mcbruiser3 9y ago
        yes, the pragmatic consequences of not adapting are being left behind. life is not fair, and it never will be. even if we implemented a UBI, there would be some other "injustice" to complain about or excuse for inequality. there is no end to it. the only fair system is one where you make your own way.
        Turing_Machine 9y ago
        "yes, the pragmatic consequences of not adapting are being left behind." The pragmatic consequences of ignoring the people who are "left behind" are guillotines and scaffolds. "the only fair system is one where you make your own way." Once again: "fair" doesn't enter into it.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Jobs are vanishing More accurately, the labor most people are suited for is becoming less valuable relative to capital and the labor of a narrowing elite. If one allows arbitrarily low wages, jobs wouldn't disappear, just the pay most people could earn in them would drop in relative (and possibly absolute real) terms.

There will be a day when "just go flip burgers until something better comes along" will no longer be a valid retort. Jobs are vanishing and no amount of bootstraps will change that.

mcbruiser3 9y ago

> Jobs are vanishing... No, jobs are changing. Adapt or die.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
You might be surprised at who actually dies, should things get bad enough that people are starving in the streets. The French aristocracy circa 1789 was certainly surprised. Likewise the Russian aristocracy circa 1917.
- mcbruiser3 9y ago
  right because it's always the case that those who do and have got to their situation unfairly, not due to hard work and intelligence or looking for opportunities, and that's the reason those who don't are poor, and therefore they deserve to die.
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    I'm not saying anything about "right" or "fair", or what people "deserve". I'm just pointing out the pragmatic consequences of your attitude.
    - mcbruiser3 9y ago
      yes, the pragmatic consequences of not adapting are being left behind. life is not fair, and it never will be. even if we implemented a UBI, there would be some other "injustice" to complain about or excuse for inequality. there is no end to it. the only fair system is one where you make your own way.
      - Turing_Machine 9y ago
        "yes, the pragmatic consequences of not adapting are being left behind." The pragmatic consequences of ignoring the people who are "left behind" are guillotines and scaffolds. "the only fair system is one where you make your own way." Once again: "fair" doesn't enter into it.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Jobs are vanishing More accurately, the labor most people are suited for is becoming less valuable relative to capital and the labor of a narrowing elite. If one allows arbitrarily low wages, jobs wouldn't disappear, just the pay most people could earn in them would drop in relative (and possibly absolute real) terms.