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Well, there were characters like Czar Zet Eightieth and Princess Motorola 6845 in the book. You hardly may found something about Соборность in Soviet tech jour

Well, there were characters like Czar Zet Eightieth and Princess Motorola 6845 in the book. You hardly may found something about Соборность in Soviet tech journals, more likely -- synergy, emergence and stuff like this :)

mirimir 9y ago
Thanks. I was wondering whether Hannu Rajaniemi had read about them in such places. It was just a social concept, I guess. So maybe Hannu made the jump to virtual life.
- richard_shelton 9y ago
  I never heard about Hannu Rajaniemi, but I like sci-fi genre and first 2 books of his trilogy already translated to Russian, so I'll definitely read them. Thank you! I was a bit surprised that you've connected the term sobornost with my originial message. In fact Odoevsky' tale is not only about mechanics or optics, it has philosophical meaning too and one can relate things like sobornost to it. But I think not many even Russian critics think so deep about this old tale. Early ideas of Odoevsky and slavophiles made a base for a philosophy of Russian cosmism [1]. Just a few famous names related to this philosophy: Nikolai Fyodorov [2], Konstantin Tsiolkovsky [3] (one of the fathers of rocketry and astronautics), Alexander Bogdanov [4] (father of systems theory), Vladimir Vernadsky [7] (noosphere). I also suggest to read The Cybernetic Manifesto [6] by Valentin Turchin [5] (the author of programming language Refal) for more modern view on sobornost-like things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorovich_Fyodorov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorovich_Fyodorov [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Bogdanov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Bogdanov [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Turchin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Turchin [6] http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MANIFESTO.html http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MANIFESTO.html [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky
  - mirimir 9y ago
    Hey, thanks! > I was a bit surprised that you've connected the term sobornost with my originial message. Well, you said: > ... kids who by some magic got inside the computer ... And that's what the Sobornost are in the Flower Prince trilogy. Uploaded followers of Fyodorov. Their enemy is the Zoku, who are descendents of uploaded MMORPG freaks. Less collectivist, and more collaborationist. Edit: Another take on Fyodorovism is The Last Trumpet Project by Kevin MacArdry. https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/last_trumpet/LTP.pdf https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/last_trumpet/LTP.pdf

mirimir 9y ago

Thanks. I was wondering whether Hannu Rajaniemi had read about them in such places. It was just a social concept, I guess. So maybe Hannu made the jump to virtual life.

richard_shelton 9y ago
I never heard about Hannu Rajaniemi, but I like sci-fi genre and first 2 books of his trilogy already translated to Russian, so I'll definitely read them. Thank you! I was a bit surprised that you've connected the term sobornost with my originial message. In fact Odoevsky' tale is not only about mechanics or optics, it has philosophical meaning too and one can relate things like sobornost to it. But I think not many even Russian critics think so deep about this old tale. Early ideas of Odoevsky and slavophiles made a base for a philosophy of Russian cosmism [1]. Just a few famous names related to this philosophy: Nikolai Fyodorov [2], Konstantin Tsiolkovsky [3] (one of the fathers of rocketry and astronautics), Alexander Bogdanov [4] (father of systems theory), Vladimir Vernadsky [7] (noosphere). I also suggest to read The Cybernetic Manifesto [6] by Valentin Turchin [5] (the author of programming language Refal) for more modern view on sobornost-like things. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorovich_Fyodorov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Fyodorovich_Fyodorov [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Bogdanov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Bogdanov [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Tsiolkovsky [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Turchin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Turchin [6] http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MANIFESTO.html http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MANIFESTO.html [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky
- mirimir 9y ago
  Hey, thanks! > I was a bit surprised that you've connected the term sobornost with my originial message. Well, you said: > ... kids who by some magic got inside the computer ... And that's what the Sobornost are in the Flower Prince trilogy. Uploaded followers of Fyodorov. Their enemy is the Zoku, who are descendents of uploaded MMORPG freaks. Less collectivist, and more collaborationist. Edit: Another take on Fyodorovism is The Last Trumpet Project by Kevin MacArdry. https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/last_trumpet/LTP.pdf https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/last_trumpet/LTP.pdf