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Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's

Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.

kwhitefoot 9y ago
Average travel time seems to be about 25 minutes in the US (https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf) so I suspect that for most of the driving that people actually do the Model 3 will be more than adequate. The problem is what counts as a day trip in the US is much further than in the UK. Of course you could just rent an ICE car for longer journeys. I have a colleague in Raleigh NC who rents a car when he drives to Florida (long weekend, not day trip) even though he has a perfectly good car of his own. His reasoning is that he can often get special offers so it is cheap, reduced wear an tear on his own vehicle, and if an incident occurs he won't have much to do and no impact on his car insurance.
cjrp 9y ago
But then for a lot of people in London (although maybe not in your case?) they won't have easy access to a charger at home, so public chargers might be the easiest way.
gutnor 9y ago
In my London situation, 80% of my journeys will be within 20 miles. However, I don't have a garage or even a house. I park on the street and I would need at least 1 weekly trip to some charging station. In the 5% times I go over that distance, I will need to stop to charge when leaving and coming back ( considering I have never driven in the direction of a SuperCharger, so the only one available is in London ) So well, it was already a stretch to adapt my lifestyle to accomodate a Tesla, this missing feature is like a mail from Musk explaining me I'm definitively not the target demographic for his car.
- selectodude 9y ago
  You can use the supercharger with a Model 3, you just need to pay for the electricity.
- XJOKOLAT 9y ago
  Accepted, I wouldn't want to be solely dependant on a supercharger. I'm not even sure I need a supercharger. Has to be home-charging for me. It's possible, at this point in time, that maybe you aren't the demographic. I wouldn't blame Musk for that, really. More of an city infrastructure issue. I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction. There was some green deal thing a year or two ago where they were subsidising charging points at home ... of course, they scrapped that ... I guess that wouldn't help you anyway. Maybe you're better off with a hybrid and get a Tesla when either the city charging situation improves or your home situation changes.
  - gutnor 9y ago
    > I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction. In London at least, the push is to get less car on the road, regardless if they are electric or not. There is no need to encourage electric adoption, only discourage cars and discourage more the one that are not electric. I had a breakdown earlier this year and managed just fine over 2 months without the car. We fixed it because there is just no convenient way to go see the family or move children around easily and safely. The fix for that however is probably coming from a combination of Uber-like services and automated car rental ( as long as they get to your home and back to the rental lot, you can manage the rest of the way ), rather than personal car ownership electric or otherwise. We are not quite there yet, but considering my last car lasted me 15 years and counting, if I have a next one, it will be my last. edit: BTW, no blaming Musk. It's not his fault if his products are desirable outside his target demographic.

Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.

kwhitefoot 9y ago

Average travel time seems to be about 25 minutes in the US (https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf) so I suspect that for most of the driving that people actually do the Model 3 will be more than adequate. The problem is what counts as a day trip in the US is much further than in the UK. Of course you could just rent an ICE car for longer journeys. I have a colleague in Raleigh NC who rents a car when he drives to Florida (long weekend, not day trip) even though he has a perfectly good car of his own. His reasoning is that he can often get special offers so it is cheap, reduced wear an tear on his own vehicle, and if an incident occurs he won't have much to do and no impact on his car insurance.

cjrp 9y ago

But then for a lot of people in London (although maybe not in your case?) they won't have easy access to a charger at home, so public chargers might be the easiest way.

gutnor 9y ago

In my London situation, 80% of my journeys will be within 20 miles. However, I don't have a garage or even a house. I park on the street and I would need at least 1 weekly trip to some charging station. In the 5% times I go over that distance, I will need to stop to charge when leaving and coming back ( considering I have never driven in the direction of a SuperCharger, so the only one available is in London ) So well, it was already a stretch to adapt my lifestyle to accomodate a Tesla, this missing feature is like a mail from Musk explaining me I'm definitively not the target demographic for his car.

selectodude 9y ago
You can use the supercharger with a Model 3, you just need to pay for the electricity.
XJOKOLAT 9y ago
Accepted, I wouldn't want to be solely dependant on a supercharger. I'm not even sure I need a supercharger. Has to be home-charging for me. It's possible, at this point in time, that maybe you aren't the demographic. I wouldn't blame Musk for that, really. More of an city infrastructure issue. I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction. There was some green deal thing a year or two ago where they were subsidising charging points at home ... of course, they scrapped that ... I guess that wouldn't help you anyway. Maybe you're better off with a hybrid and get a Tesla when either the city charging situation improves or your home situation changes.
- gutnor 9y ago
  > I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction. In London at least, the push is to get less car on the road, regardless if they are electric or not. There is no need to encourage electric adoption, only discourage cars and discourage more the one that are not electric. I had a breakdown earlier this year and managed just fine over 2 months without the car. We fixed it because there is just no convenient way to go see the family or move children around easily and safely. The fix for that however is probably coming from a combination of Uber-like services and automated car rental ( as long as they get to your home and back to the rental lot, you can manage the rest of the way ), rather than personal car ownership electric or otherwise. We are not quite there yet, but considering my last car lasted me 15 years and counting, if I have a next one, it will be my last. edit: BTW, no blaming Musk. It's not his fault if his products are desirable outside his target demographic.