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I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as

I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume vs 14 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume Displays: Driver Display + 17" Touchscreen vs 15" Center Touchscreen Customization: 1,500+ configurations vs <100 configurations Delivery timing: 30 Days or less vs 1+ year

dgregd 9y ago
No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.
- gnode 9y ago
  It only mentioned the digital displays. There may well be analogue, like most cars have.
  - will_hughes 9y ago
    No, Tesla and Elon have been very clear that there'll be a single central display only that will also display the speed/directions/etc. Tesla's don't have analogue displays.
    - Nursie 9y ago
      Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road. Is this even within regulations in most places?
      - monitron 9y ago
        Check out the Mini or Prius. Both have the primary driver display (like speed) centered away from the driver: http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p
        viraptor 9y ago
        Which Prius? 2007 had it available in the deep well with a mirrored display over the steering wheel, not in the centre (http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1f0271de306e45aab983f8c2c6e0f6ad/2007-toyota-prius-hybrid-touring-in-gray-dashboard-center-console-arg83x.jpg http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1f0271de306e45aab983f8c2c6e0f6ad/2...) Later models had either that or a heads up display on the windshield.
        kuschku 9y ago
        That’s actually false. The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster: http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.
        blacksmith_tb 9y ago
        My Prius Prime has two speedometers, an on/off HUP in the lower left field of view, and the sort-of-centered display common to all Prius-es.
      - boredpudding 9y ago
        The display is way closer than you except. It's close enough so you don't really have to look down/side much. Plus, directions/speed will be shown in the top-left of the screen.
      - kylegordon 9y ago
        Several production cars have a centre speedometer, Minis for one. I've seen digital centered dashtop speedos in other mass market cars too... I just can't recall them at the moment. I have used a GPS speedo on my screenmounted device for years, and looking down and forwards for my speed seems unnatural now. You get used to it.
        paganel 9y ago
        Older Citroen C4 models used to have it, too: https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7Oq6243UAhXiYZoKHRnjBy0Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=897#tbm=isch&q=citroen+c4+interior+2006 https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=fi...
      - kuschku 9y ago
        It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.
        vvillena 9y ago
        What? There are lots of european cars without driver displays. This is an example from 2003: http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn
        dragonwriter 9y ago
        The example shown has speedometer and other info on a display above the wheel and on the driver side, which is a driver display. Yes, it's near the centerline, but it's at a place the driver naturally can view it with a very small change in eyeliner from the road (or in peripheral vision while watching the road) not a centered display level with the wheel like the console display on the Model 3.
        holydude 9y ago
        Now Germany speaks for the rest of the EU countries?
        _pmf_ 9y ago
        We like to call them "the provinces".
        kuschku 9y ago
        Yes and no. If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. So Germany could very much block the Tesla Model 3 from EU roads.
        Arizhel 9y ago
        >If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. Huh? How does that work? What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?
      - kuschku 9y ago
        It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.
    - ltdanimal 9y ago
      Have they? I dont remember ever seeing that. Just that there will only be one screen, and everyone assumed all info would be there.
  - mintone 9y ago
    I could imagine that vital information would be in a HUD?
- ClassyJacket 9y ago
  This was already known tho - Musk tweeted about it a month or so ago.
- Nursie 9y ago
  It's just... weird! There's always a driver display in every car!
  - helb 9y ago
    Not really, there are some weird interiors with central dashboard/display only. For example: Fiat Multipla: https://spct2000.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/multipla-5.jpg https://spct2000.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/multipla-5.jpg Toyota Prius: http://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/42/2012/11/2012-toyota-prius-dash.jpg http://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/42/2012/11/2012-toyota... Citroën C4: http://c4owners.org/plugins/forum/attachment/82/1408013737_82_FT199675_citroen-c4_coupe_2009_dashboard_wallpaper.jpg http://c4owners.org/plugins/forum/attachment/82/1408013737_8...
- iplaw 9y ago
  Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.
  - freerobby 9y ago
    It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.
    - iplaw 9y ago
      That's something that I hadn't considered. Have we received confirmation that the Model 3 will be available with the optional full suite of self-driving sensors? On the Model S, this includes two high-priced options: 1. Enhanced Autopilot ($5000) quadruples the number of cameras from 1 to 4 and adds 12 ultrasonic sonar sensors and additional computing power to crunch the data. 2. Full Self-Driving Capability ($3000) doubles the number of cameras from 4 to 8.
      - freerobby 9y ago
        Yeah, Tesla has confirmed that the Model 3 will have the same self-driving hardware suite as S/X. No details yet on the software activation cost.
    - stupidhn 9y ago
      >It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today. People sure are willing to reach with their rationalizations. You might be right. But consider that, maybe, Tesla has to remove what they can because they now realize that making a $35k EV without losing piles of money is very, very, difficult.
- mikeash 9y ago
  The relevant info will be on the center screen. Center instrument clusters aren't that uncommon. Priuses have them, for example, and they're pretty popular.
- ratsbane 9y ago
  I wonder if there will be aftermarket driver displays. If all the data you need is on the CAN bus, should be just a question of mounting points and power wiring. I joined the Model 3 wait list the day it opened and I'm really looking forward to getting one. The biggest concern I have so far is the lack of driver display.
- sliken 9y ago
  Dunno, I'd prefer a nice clear 15" screen over every in car display I've ever seen (except for the model S 17). Being larger and visible at all times is pretty nice. Doubly so with a passenger that's helping out can handle nav duties. Generally I look at fuel levels rarely, tach almost never (and doubly irrelevant if you can't shift gears), and speedometer only occasionally since I'm usually just pacing traffic. Anything else normally on the dash display is often a tiny small icon that's hard to see. Was that a check engine light? An upshift light? Oh, is one of the doors open?

dgregd 9y ago

No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.

gnode 9y ago
It only mentioned the digital displays. There may well be analogue, like most cars have.
- will_hughes 9y ago
  No, Tesla and Elon have been very clear that there'll be a single central display only that will also display the speed/directions/etc. Tesla's don't have analogue displays.
  - Nursie 9y ago
    Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road. Is this even within regulations in most places?
    - monitron 9y ago
      Check out the Mini or Prius. Both have the primary driver display (like speed) centered away from the driver: http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p
      - viraptor 9y ago
        Which Prius? 2007 had it available in the deep well with a mirrored display over the steering wheel, not in the centre (http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1f0271de306e45aab983f8c2c6e0f6ad/2007-toyota-prius-hybrid-touring-in-gray-dashboard-center-console-arg83x.jpg http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1f0271de306e45aab983f8c2c6e0f6ad/2...) Later models had either that or a heads up display on the windshield.
      - kuschku 9y ago
        That’s actually false. The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster: http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.
      - blacksmith_tb 9y ago
        My Prius Prime has two speedometers, an on/off HUP in the lower left field of view, and the sort-of-centered display common to all Prius-es.
    - boredpudding 9y ago
      The display is way closer than you except. It's close enough so you don't really have to look down/side much. Plus, directions/speed will be shown in the top-left of the screen.
    - kylegordon 9y ago
      Several production cars have a centre speedometer, Minis for one. I've seen digital centered dashtop speedos in other mass market cars too... I just can't recall them at the moment. I have used a GPS speedo on my screenmounted device for years, and looking down and forwards for my speed seems unnatural now. You get used to it.
      - paganel 9y ago
        Older Citroen C4 models used to have it, too: https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz7Oq6243UAhXiYZoKHRnjBy0Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=897#tbm=isch&q=citroen+c4+interior+2006 https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=fi...
    - kuschku 9y ago
      It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.
      - vvillena 9y ago
        What? There are lots of european cars without driver displays. This is an example from 2003: http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn
        dragonwriter 9y ago
        The example shown has speedometer and other info on a display above the wheel and on the driver side, which is a driver display. Yes, it's near the centerline, but it's at a place the driver naturally can view it with a very small change in eyeliner from the road (or in peripheral vision while watching the road) not a centered display level with the wheel like the console display on the Model 3.
      - holydude 9y ago
        Now Germany speaks for the rest of the EU countries?
        _pmf_ 9y ago
        We like to call them "the provinces".
        kuschku 9y ago
        Yes and no. If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. So Germany could very much block the Tesla Model 3 from EU roads.
        Arizhel 9y ago
        >If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. Huh? How does that work? What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?
    - kuschku 9y ago
      It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets. This will be interesting.
  - ltdanimal 9y ago
    Have they? I dont remember ever seeing that. Just that there will only be one screen, and everyone assumed all info would be there.
- mintone 9y ago
  I could imagine that vital information would be in a HUD?
ClassyJacket 9y ago
This was already known tho - Musk tweeted about it a month or so ago.
Nursie 9y ago
It's just... weird! There's always a driver display in every car!
- helb 9y ago
  Not really, there are some weird interiors with central dashboard/display only. For example: Fiat Multipla: https://spct2000.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/multipla-5.jpg https://spct2000.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/multipla-5.jpg Toyota Prius: http://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/42/2012/11/2012-toyota-prius-dash.jpg http://st.motortrend.ca/uploads/sites/42/2012/11/2012-toyota... Citroën C4: http://c4owners.org/plugins/forum/attachment/82/1408013737_82_FT199675_citroen-c4_coupe_2009_dashboard_wallpaper.jpg http://c4owners.org/plugins/forum/attachment/82/1408013737_8...
iplaw 9y ago
Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.
- freerobby 9y ago
  It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.
  - iplaw 9y ago
    That's something that I hadn't considered. Have we received confirmation that the Model 3 will be available with the optional full suite of self-driving sensors? On the Model S, this includes two high-priced options: 1. Enhanced Autopilot ($5000) quadruples the number of cameras from 1 to 4 and adds 12 ultrasonic sonar sensors and additional computing power to crunch the data. 2. Full Self-Driving Capability ($3000) doubles the number of cameras from 4 to 8.
    - freerobby 9y ago
      Yeah, Tesla has confirmed that the Model 3 will have the same self-driving hardware suite as S/X. No details yet on the software activation cost.
  - stupidhn 9y ago
    >It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today. People sure are willing to reach with their rationalizations. You might be right. But consider that, maybe, Tesla has to remove what they can because they now realize that making a $35k EV without losing piles of money is very, very, difficult.
mikeash 9y ago
The relevant info will be on the center screen. Center instrument clusters aren't that uncommon. Priuses have them, for example, and they're pretty popular.
ratsbane 9y ago
I wonder if there will be aftermarket driver displays. If all the data you need is on the CAN bus, should be just a question of mounting points and power wiring. I joined the Model 3 wait list the day it opened and I'm really looking forward to getting one. The biggest concern I have so far is the lack of driver display.
sliken 9y ago
Dunno, I'd prefer a nice clear 15" screen over every in car display I've ever seen (except for the model S 17). Being larger and visible at all times is pretty nice. Doubly so with a passenger that's helping out can handle nav duties. Generally I look at fuel levels rarely, tach almost never (and doubly irrelevant if you can't shift gears), and speedometer only occasionally since I'm usually just pacing traffic. Anything else normally on the dash display is often a tiny small icon that's hard to see. Was that a check engine light? An upshift light? Oh, is one of the doors open?