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I seriously hope that AI can soon take over the majority of work (usually mundane) involved in create CRUD applications. Leaving the programmer with simply cust

by hasenj 9y ago

I seriously hope that AI can soon take over the majority of work (usually mundane) involved in create CRUD applications. Leaving the programmer with simply customizing certain parts or writing very specific business or validation logic. It might drive down the wages of _some_ programmers but it will at the same time free us to work on more interesting problems.

ensiferum 9y ago
I'm hoping that it would just free us from work entirely ;-)
- hasenj 9y ago
  Maybe OT but "free from work" is kind of an oxymoron. You can't be free if you don't produce. You will be a slave to people who do produce.
  - doesnt_know 9y ago
    If you lack the imagination to consider such a future, learn from the best and read the Culture series of novels.
    - hasenj 9y ago
      Imagination is easy. Doesn't mean it's viable (or desirable). You cannot imagine your way out of human nature. You'd need at minimum the entire population to be of sufficiently high IQ and high agreeableness (and low aggressiveness). This kind of population does not exist, and probably will not exist in the foreseeable future. If it did exist, it will probably be run over by another population of high aggressiveness. So unless the population of the entire planet is as such, this will continue to be mere imagination.
      - walterstucco 9y ago
        Mate, my grapes need attentions that I cannot give cause I'm working. My home made spumante takes time that I have to take from other tasks, such as laying at the beach My craft beers won't make themselves I have tomatoes, potatoes, beans and fruit to grow And of course programming as an hobby I would have so much to do, if I didn't have to work…
        hasenj 9y ago
        AI will take care of your grapes and your craft beers will indeed make themselves, as will your tomatoes, potatoes, and beans. Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably.
        walterstucco 9y ago
        > AI will take care of your grapes and your craft beers will indeed make themselves That's even better! I love watching the others doing things > Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably. You really lack imagination then… Maybe your internal robot is still too strong Yu will get it, eventually
        nl 9y ago
        I think there was a comment on HN yesterday relevant now: oh the wonderous things we could do with Haskell if we neither had nor needed jobs.
        cust0m 9y ago
        > Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably. Learn to surf and change your mind.
      - bryanrasmussen 9y ago
        You cannot imagine your way out of human nature, but you should imagine that you might not know exactly what that human nature is.
        hasenj 9y ago
        You don't have to know it exactly. You already know enough. There are enough people on the planet with low IQ and/or high aggressiveness to make this infeasible.
        cust0m 9y ago
        so low IQ and high aggressiveness is human nature?
BjoernKW 9y ago
I'm always wondering why this kind of tasks can't be largely automated already. It's not like you need AI for generating what largely amounts to default plumbing code. It shouldn't be that difficult to generate back-end code for say a Bootstrap template. It should even be possible to generate both a Bootstrap template and the corresponding back-end code from something like a Balsamiq mockup. The problem with generated code though used to be that it tended to both break quickly when confronted with non-default requirements and to make customisation by (human) developers much more difficult and cumbersome. So, perhaps the route to having largely automatically generated CRUD apps isn't so much paved by the code generation process - involving AI or not - itself but by how easily the generated code can be extended afterwards. I'm envisioning to never have to touch the actual CRUD code. I'd rather like that CRUD code to provide extension points for additional services or functions to tack on to.
sshb 9y ago
gRPC already does automate huge chunk of CRUD apps creating routine
narrator 9y ago
It wont drive down wages, because of Jevon's Paradox. The commodity that is used more efficiently will become more in demand.
- hasenj 9y ago
  It will drive down the wages of the less experienced programmers. Relatively less skilled programmers who still make higher than the average wage of the general population.
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by hasenj 9y ago

ensiferum 9y ago

I'm hoping that it would just free us from work entirely ;-)

hasenj 9y ago
Maybe OT but "free from work" is kind of an oxymoron. You can't be free if you don't produce. You will be a slave to people who do produce.
- doesnt_know 9y ago
  If you lack the imagination to consider such a future, learn from the best and read the Culture series of novels.
  - hasenj 9y ago
    Imagination is easy. Doesn't mean it's viable (or desirable). You cannot imagine your way out of human nature. You'd need at minimum the entire population to be of sufficiently high IQ and high agreeableness (and low aggressiveness). This kind of population does not exist, and probably will not exist in the foreseeable future. If it did exist, it will probably be run over by another population of high aggressiveness. So unless the population of the entire planet is as such, this will continue to be mere imagination.
    - walterstucco 9y ago
      Mate, my grapes need attentions that I cannot give cause I'm working. My home made spumante takes time that I have to take from other tasks, such as laying at the beach My craft beers won't make themselves I have tomatoes, potatoes, beans and fruit to grow And of course programming as an hobby I would have so much to do, if I didn't have to work…
      - hasenj 9y ago
        AI will take care of your grapes and your craft beers will indeed make themselves, as will your tomatoes, potatoes, and beans. Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably.
        walterstucco 9y ago
        > AI will take care of your grapes and your craft beers will indeed make themselves That's even better! I love watching the others doing things > Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably. You really lack imagination then… Maybe your internal robot is still too strong Yu will get it, eventually
        nl 9y ago
        I think there was a comment on HN yesterday relevant now: oh the wonderous things we could do with Haskell if we neither had nor needed jobs.
        cust0m 9y ago
        > Laying at the beach will get boring after two weeks probably. Learn to surf and change your mind.
    - bryanrasmussen 9y ago
      You cannot imagine your way out of human nature, but you should imagine that you might not know exactly what that human nature is.
      - hasenj 9y ago
        You don't have to know it exactly. You already know enough. There are enough people on the planet with low IQ and/or high aggressiveness to make this infeasible.
        cust0m 9y ago
        so low IQ and high aggressiveness is human nature?

BjoernKW 9y ago

I'm always wondering why this kind of tasks can't be largely automated already. It's not like you need AI for generating what largely amounts to default plumbing code. It shouldn't be that difficult to generate back-end code for say a Bootstrap template. It should even be possible to generate both a Bootstrap template and the corresponding back-end code from something like a Balsamiq mockup. The problem with generated code though used to be that it tended to both break quickly when confronted with non-default requirements and to make customisation by (human) developers much more difficult and cumbersome. So, perhaps the route to having largely automatically generated CRUD apps isn't so much paved by the code generation process - involving AI or not - itself but by how easily the generated code can be extended afterwards. I'm envisioning to never have to touch the actual CRUD code. I'd rather like that CRUD code to provide extension points for additional services or functions to tack on to.

sshb 9y ago

gRPC already does automate huge chunk of CRUD apps creating routine

narrator 9y ago

It wont drive down wages, because of Jevon's Paradox. The commodity that is used more efficiently will become more in demand.

hasenj 9y ago
It will drive down the wages of the less experienced programmers. Relatively less skilled programmers who still make higher than the average wage of the general population.

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