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> The controversy in the US and Canada revolved around vehicles that did not have DEF systems, in particular those with the EA189 engine. Where are you getting

> The controversy in the US and Canada revolved around vehicles that did not have DEF systems, in particular those with the EA189 engine. Where are you getting this idea from? My recently-relinquished 2014 Passat was one of the affected vehicles, and it most certainly had a DEF system.

endorphone 9y ago
Where are you getting this idea from? The vast bulk of the controversy was the EA189, which did not use DEF in any form. This is literally a seconds search away.
- vonmoltke 9y ago
  You said upthread: > However it's notable that the only VW vehicles that fail are the ones that don't use diesel exhaust fluid (DEF). That's not "the bulk", that's all. It is also demonstrably false. Your statement that I quoted previously also did not express or imply "the bulk". > The vast bulk of the controversy was the EA189, which did not use DEF in any form. This is literally a seconds search away. My Passat had an EA189 TDI and used DEF. "A seconds search" for EA189 DEF resulted in this link: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/02/vw-reportedly-buying-back-some-dieselgate-cars.html http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/02/vw-reportedly-buy... > Vehicles equipped with updated versions of the EA189 engine that used DEF and SCR systems are considered fixable (this included my car) So, I ask again, from where did you get the idea that a) only non-DEF-equipped cars were affected and b) that no EA189 engines had a DEF system?
vondur 9y ago
I thought most of the engines that were cheating were the non Urea engines. Most other companies thought it would be impossible to build a diesel engine that meets the pollution restrictions without including the DEF based anti pollution system.
- vonmoltke 9y ago
  Most, but not all as the other poster is claiming. The proportion of DEF-affected vehicles is much higher in North America as well.

endorphone 9y ago

Where are you getting this idea from? The vast bulk of the controversy was the EA189, which did not use DEF in any form. This is literally a seconds search away.

vonmoltke 9y ago
You said upthread: > However it's notable that the only VW vehicles that fail are the ones that don't use diesel exhaust fluid (DEF). That's not "the bulk", that's all. It is also demonstrably false. Your statement that I quoted previously also did not express or imply "the bulk". > The vast bulk of the controversy was the EA189, which did not use DEF in any form. This is literally a seconds search away. My Passat had an EA189 TDI and used DEF. "A seconds search" for EA189 DEF resulted in this link: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/02/vw-reportedly-buying-back-some-dieselgate-cars.html http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/02/vw-reportedly-buy... > Vehicles equipped with updated versions of the EA189 engine that used DEF and SCR systems are considered fixable (this included my car) So, I ask again, from where did you get the idea that a) only non-DEF-equipped cars were affected and b) that no EA189 engines had a DEF system?

vondur 9y ago

I thought most of the engines that were cheating were the non Urea engines. Most other companies thought it would be impossible to build a diesel engine that meets the pollution restrictions without including the DEF based anti pollution system.

vonmoltke 9y ago
Most, but not all as the other poster is claiming. The proportion of DEF-affected vehicles is much higher in North America as well.