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> tl;dr Unions work for me. Fixed. There's a lot of bad unions out there as well. My wife dealt with one as a cashier at a grocery store in high school. They

> tl;dr Unions work for me. Fixed. There's a lot of bad unions out there as well. My wife dealt with one as a cashier at a grocery store in high school. They did less than nothing for her and her coworkers. Never visited the store, never responded to significant issues including discrimination and harassment, never met with management. But they did make sure they got their cut of her pay which, as a poor girl who had to buy her own clothes and pay for everything from the money she earned, she desperately needed. And vote the union bosses out? How was she to do that exactly? Maybe it's different over there, but unions can cover tens if not hundreds of locations at different businesses in the US.

Bartweiss 9y ago
> And vote the union bosses out? How was she to do that exactly? Maybe it's different over there, but unions can cover tens if not hundreds of locations at different businesses in the US. I resent "it's democratic, so vote instead of complaining" in 100% of its incarnations. Democratic systems are a bit more responsive than most others, but they're not actually subject to the desires of any one voter. It's entirely reasonable to look at a system and say "the fixes I think this needs are completely unattainable" or even "I think the voting process of this system is incapable of producing change". Calling unions - or anything - fixable simply because they count up votes feels like a way to silence uncomfortable criticism.