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> people into GITS might like this post we made about shots in the movie recreated from the anime: https://medium.com/@gitsost/a-love-letter-to-ghost-in-the-she

> people into GITS might like this post we made about shots in the movie recreated from the anime: https://medium.com/@gitsost/a-love-letter-to-ghost-in-the-shell-how-shots-from-the-2017-movie-allude-to-the-anime-972a7dfb74e8 https://medium.com/@gitsost/a-love-letter-to-ghost-in-the-sh... I find it quite superficial to call the new movie a love letter just because a number of stills have similar elements in them. As an example: In the water fight scene the anime has a LOT of story-telling with her actions being clearly based on high level moral motivations, as well as observations of and adaption to the progression of the fight itself. Every action taken has a reason and nuance behind it, based on who and what her adversary is as well as the tactical situation. In the movie it's a straight-up beat-down of an almost entirely unresponsive puppet.

canadian_voter 9y ago
Indeed. Less a love letter than a cheap porn adaptation, IMHO. As a long-time GITS fan, the new movie was a complete disappointment. It added nothing new or interesting, and dropped almost all of the philosophical content of the original. If you haven't seen the original, start there. And then move on to the sequels, the TV show, etc. if you want. But avoid this new one. None of the individual elements (soundtrack, cinematography, etc) are the equal of the original and as whole it is utterly lacking in style and substance.
- exelius 9y ago
  I don't think you can do GITS as a live action movie. The amount of special effects required to pull it off means the budget needs to be huge, but that also means you have to "dumb down" the plot for mainstream audiences to have a chance to recover your costs.
  - firasd 9y ago
    Well, you also can't have those lengthy expositions from the 95 anime. I think in a good film you would show the outlines to philosophical angles about consciousness without filling them in with so much prose. Of course GITS '17 went a bit too far in the other direction of keeping the dialog too simple, eg. the bad guy blurting out his clearly-bad motivations. I think Westworld achieved a good balance of throwing in monologues while keeping scenes lively...
    - exelius 9y ago
      Yeah; that's what I meant about "dumbing down" the movie. I agree that Ghost in the Shell in all of its iterations is heavy on exposition -- which makes it a difficult show for audiences to get into. I also agree about your point about Westworld -- I think Ghost in the Shell could be pulled off as a live-action TV series because the exposition could be spread out across a whole season. Because it often doesn't have a guaranteed global market at the time of production, anime in general tends to be a balance between ambition and budget -- the compromise often being "recap" or "expositional" episodes focused on one or two characters (fewer voice actors to worry about) and using recycled animation. I get why they do it, but it's frustrating.
firasd 9y ago
I know there is a lot of negativity about this movie from various quarters but I do think it's a love letter to the anime. I had the idea for the phrase when I saw that even the glitching motifs from the title credits were recreated in the movie (and expanded to the extent that glitching is part of the plot). I mean, if we just step back, when I watched the anime I never expected that one day I'd be able to see a live-action version of the tank fight. It was very unlikely for this movie to have been made at all, in between Avengers 12 and Fast and the Furious 17. I'm glad it exists.

canadian_voter 9y ago

Indeed. Less a love letter than a cheap porn adaptation, IMHO. As a long-time GITS fan, the new movie was a complete disappointment. It added nothing new or interesting, and dropped almost all of the philosophical content of the original. If you haven't seen the original, start there. And then move on to the sequels, the TV show, etc. if you want. But avoid this new one. None of the individual elements (soundtrack, cinematography, etc) are the equal of the original and as whole it is utterly lacking in style and substance.

exelius 9y ago
I don't think you can do GITS as a live action movie. The amount of special effects required to pull it off means the budget needs to be huge, but that also means you have to "dumb down" the plot for mainstream audiences to have a chance to recover your costs.
- firasd 9y ago
  Well, you also can't have those lengthy expositions from the 95 anime. I think in a good film you would show the outlines to philosophical angles about consciousness without filling them in with so much prose. Of course GITS '17 went a bit too far in the other direction of keeping the dialog too simple, eg. the bad guy blurting out his clearly-bad motivations. I think Westworld achieved a good balance of throwing in monologues while keeping scenes lively...
  - exelius 9y ago
    Yeah; that's what I meant about "dumbing down" the movie. I agree that Ghost in the Shell in all of its iterations is heavy on exposition -- which makes it a difficult show for audiences to get into. I also agree about your point about Westworld -- I think Ghost in the Shell could be pulled off as a live-action TV series because the exposition could be spread out across a whole season. Because it often doesn't have a guaranteed global market at the time of production, anime in general tends to be a balance between ambition and budget -- the compromise often being "recap" or "expositional" episodes focused on one or two characters (fewer voice actors to worry about) and using recycled animation. I get why they do it, but it's frustrating.

firasd 9y ago

I know there is a lot of negativity about this movie from various quarters but I do think it's a love letter to the anime. I had the idea for the phrase when I saw that even the glitching motifs from the title credits were recreated in the movie (and expanded to the extent that glitching is part of the plot). I mean, if we just step back, when I watched the anime I never expected that one day I'd be able to see a live-action version of the tank fight. It was very unlikely for this movie to have been made at all, in between Avengers 12 and Fast and the Furious 17. I'm glad it exists.