I agree its a culture, but there is a role to be played, and in all the cases where I have moved teams down the DevOps path it has always started with specialis

I agree its a culture, but there is a role to be played, and in all the cases where I have moved teams down the DevOps path it has always started with specialists who can help the team out as they transition. Then there is the operations part, no sane person would say since we do "DevOps" and "Continuous Delivery" now, so lets give ever member of the team full admin on AWS. Even in a _very_ mature organization you have snowflakes. If your DevOps team is doing its job, more and more of the workflow is being shifted all the time to the product teams and less and less is being owned by them. Then once they have delivery fully migrated, they move on to be your SRE's which is something I think most teams who have devops people will never get to.