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>In the same vein, if you get an iPhone 4 you can every confidence that Apple will make every effort to ensure that innovative and competitive software will be

>In the same vein, if you get an iPhone 4 you can every confidence that Apple will make every effort to ensure that innovative and competitive software will be rejected or removed from the app store. This is just nonsense. Looks like your one of the "anti-apple hoard" the GGP was talking about. It's pretty well known why the 2%-3% of apps get rejected: using a private API, violating the agreement, violating laws (e.g. ignoring codec copyrights). Name one single piece of "innovative and competitive software" that was rejected without a good reason.

ZeroGravitas 16y ago
Google Voice.
- loewenskind 16y ago
  "TechCrunch suspects, probably correctly, that apps for Google Voice are being rejected at least in part through AT&T's influence, since Google Voice lets you send free text messages and delivers cut-rate international calls on top of making phone numbers even more meaningless making it scary to AT&T in way like Skype VoIP over 3G." [1] If you're trying to bypass the phone company that is using the phone as a loss leader of course you can expect that app to be rejected. Skype is approved though, afaik. Is that your only example? [1] http://gizmodo.com/5324268/apple-rejects-official-google-voice-iphone-app http://gizmodo.com/5324268/apple-rejects-official-google-voi...
  - ahk 16y ago
    The fact that Google Voice is actually available in the US on pretty much all Android phones, makes your point moot. The iPhone does not have one of the most innovative apps for a phone. QED.
    - loewenskind 16y ago
      Google voice is one of the most innovative apps? I've never even heard of it before today. Everyone I know uses Skype (which is on the iPhone, right?).
      - ZeroGravitas 16y ago
        It's not a competitor to Skype. That's Google Talk. I don't think it's unfair to say that Google Voice is generally regarded as an amazing innovation in mobile phone arena. And speaking of Skype, will they be allowed to do video chat on the iPhone 4? Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I wouldn't bet my house on it though.
      - andybak 16y ago
        Sorry to say it but if you haven't heard of Google Voice you should probably leave this debate to people who are qualified to comment.
        loewenskind 16y ago
        Well I'm a consumer so I'm automatically qualified to comment. If Google voice were so innovative and amazing it would be something I wish I could get. For example, I do wish I could have VLC, but it's pretty obvious why I can't. This is the trade off of controlling your channels. Apple can't just say "well, we let this app on and if people want to use it to watch 'illegal' movies, there's nothing we can do about it", since they very well can do something about it. Android, with their open architecture probably can't block things like VLC so they can't be held responsible for people using it.
        wvenable 16y ago
        > If Google voice were so innovative and amazing it would be something I wish I could get. It is. When I posted my comment, Google voice was the main example I was thinking of (but certainly not the only one). The fact that you don't know about it is part of the problem. It'd easily be on the top of the app store lists if it was available. It just goes to show that because of Apple you don't even know what you're missing. Your VLC example doesn't make any sense. You can watch whatever illegal movies (and illegal music) on your iPhone all you want using the built in software. You'll never get VLC, not because of anything illegal, but because "it duplicates functionality already existing in the phone". That's it.
c1sc0 16y ago
Here's a free app idea: I challenge you to make a chatroulette for iPhone 4's FaceTime. You can use twilio to connect the calls & even charge a little money through in-app purchases. The code should be a one-nighter & then you still have 5 days to get it accepted in the store.
- allend 16y ago
  He said innovative and competitive.

ZeroGravitas 16y ago

Google Voice.

loewenskind 16y ago
"TechCrunch suspects, probably correctly, that apps for Google Voice are being rejected at least in part through AT&T's influence, since Google Voice lets you send free text messages and delivers cut-rate international calls on top of making phone numbers even more meaningless making it scary to AT&T in way like Skype VoIP over 3G." [1] If you're trying to bypass the phone company that is using the phone as a loss leader of course you can expect that app to be rejected. Skype is approved though, afaik. Is that your only example? [1] http://gizmodo.com/5324268/apple-rejects-official-google-voice-iphone-app http://gizmodo.com/5324268/apple-rejects-official-google-voi...
- ahk 16y ago
  The fact that Google Voice is actually available in the US on pretty much all Android phones, makes your point moot. The iPhone does not have one of the most innovative apps for a phone. QED.
  - loewenskind 16y ago
    Google voice is one of the most innovative apps? I've never even heard of it before today. Everyone I know uses Skype (which is on the iPhone, right?).
    - ZeroGravitas 16y ago
      It's not a competitor to Skype. That's Google Talk. I don't think it's unfair to say that Google Voice is generally regarded as an amazing innovation in mobile phone arena. And speaking of Skype, will they be allowed to do video chat on the iPhone 4? Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I wouldn't bet my house on it though.
    - andybak 16y ago
      Sorry to say it but if you haven't heard of Google Voice you should probably leave this debate to people who are qualified to comment.
      - loewenskind 16y ago
        Well I'm a consumer so I'm automatically qualified to comment. If Google voice were so innovative and amazing it would be something I wish I could get. For example, I do wish I could have VLC, but it's pretty obvious why I can't. This is the trade off of controlling your channels. Apple can't just say "well, we let this app on and if people want to use it to watch 'illegal' movies, there's nothing we can do about it", since they very well can do something about it. Android, with their open architecture probably can't block things like VLC so they can't be held responsible for people using it.
        wvenable 16y ago
        > If Google voice were so innovative and amazing it would be something I wish I could get. It is. When I posted my comment, Google voice was the main example I was thinking of (but certainly not the only one). The fact that you don't know about it is part of the problem. It'd easily be on the top of the app store lists if it was available. It just goes to show that because of Apple you don't even know what you're missing. Your VLC example doesn't make any sense. You can watch whatever illegal movies (and illegal music) on your iPhone all you want using the built in software. You'll never get VLC, not because of anything illegal, but because "it duplicates functionality already existing in the phone". That's it.

c1sc0 16y ago

Here's a free app idea: I challenge you to make a chatroulette for iPhone 4's FaceTime. You can use twilio to connect the calls & even charge a little money through in-app purchases. The code should be a one-nighter & then you still have 5 days to get it accepted in the store.

allend 16y ago
He said innovative and competitive.