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I love Haskell as much as the next guy, but are we to believe that he has simply forgotten how to program in an imperative fashion? I doubt that. I guess he's a

I love Haskell as much as the next guy, but are we to believe that he has simply forgotten how to program in an imperative fashion? I doubt that. I guess he's asking "how do you make programming in ____ less painful"? That's a very open-ended question. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but if this gentleman wants serious responses he might want to get a bit more specific. Otherwise it just comes off as a roundabout way to talk about how awesome Haskell is.

mahmud 16y ago
I believe him. Some programming is impossible to get back to. I myself am a read-only C-like language user; only way I can keep myself interested is to fiddle with obscure corners of the spec and pushing the compilers, but hardly can I do any serious programming with them with a straight face. For me to use a language seriously I must respect it. Having been a Lisper for 10 years, I simply don't respect the market languages out there. I have absolutely no confidence in their design choices, workflow, environment, or the engineering methodologies and tools they have spawned to compensate for their ills. They're palatable in snippets, but for creative flow and work from scratch, I will quickly convince myself to "prototype" in Lisp, and sometime later, end up deploying it in Lisp, or generating from it. If it's not Lisp, then jQuery :-) P.S. If it doesn't have a REPL that works with emacs, I probably wont touch it.
- ezy 16y ago
  Would that change if the end goal, the project itself, were interesting? This type of thing always seems indicative of smart people working on dumb software to me. Or perhaps a type of avoidance behavior when things get overwhelming. That is, the software goal itself is so mundane or immense to you, that you have to shift focus the tools used to achieve it. From personal experience, the only time I've diddled with tools to an extraordinary degree or have been less flexible about them is when the task at hand was either dull, or in some cases, so overwhelming that I had to "warm up", so to speak, to take on the harder task.
ebiester 16y ago
To me, it sounded like "I hate office jobs so much that I've associated the program languages with the jobs. How do I convince myself to JFDI?"
- Tichy 16y ago
  What is JFDI?
  - stcredzero 16y ago
    Blub
  - msy 16y ago
    Just Fucking Do It

mahmud 16y ago

I believe him. Some programming is impossible to get back to. I myself am a read-only C-like language user; only way I can keep myself interested is to fiddle with obscure corners of the spec and pushing the compilers, but hardly can I do any serious programming with them with a straight face. For me to use a language seriously I must respect it. Having been a Lisper for 10 years, I simply don't respect the market languages out there. I have absolutely no confidence in their design choices, workflow, environment, or the engineering methodologies and tools they have spawned to compensate for their ills. They're palatable in snippets, but for creative flow and work from scratch, I will quickly convince myself to "prototype" in Lisp, and sometime later, end up deploying it in Lisp, or generating from it. If it's not Lisp, then jQuery :-) P.S. If it doesn't have a REPL that works with emacs, I probably wont touch it.

ezy 16y ago
Would that change if the end goal, the project itself, were interesting? This type of thing always seems indicative of smart people working on dumb software to me. Or perhaps a type of avoidance behavior when things get overwhelming. That is, the software goal itself is so mundane or immense to you, that you have to shift focus the tools used to achieve it. From personal experience, the only time I've diddled with tools to an extraordinary degree or have been less flexible about them is when the task at hand was either dull, or in some cases, so overwhelming that I had to "warm up", so to speak, to take on the harder task.

ebiester 16y ago

To me, it sounded like "I hate office jobs so much that I've associated the program languages with the jobs. How do I convince myself to JFDI?"

Tichy 16y ago
What is JFDI?
- stcredzero 16y ago
  Blub
- msy 16y ago
  Just Fucking Do It