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Systematic sexism is tens of thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier, the opposite of which does not happen at a huge scale (but

by cjslep 9y ago

Systematic sexism is tens of thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier, the opposite of which does not happen at a huge scale (but is also wrong). There is a difference between institutional isms (eg slavery, separate-but-equal) and systemic isms (eg private schools in The South, disproportionally higher rates of police brutality of minorities). Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time.

whitemale 9y ago
> Systematic sexism systematic Done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical. Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? > thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? If these are the biggest problems we have, I would say we are in a really great place. Also, what about women telling women the same thing? > Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. > Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further So these were your best arguments? > as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time. I have no idea where you got that idea from, I was just raising genuine questions and counter points that most people with the same opinion as you are having trouble answering. You can't expect me to accept the existence of things like "Systematic sexism" if you can't define what it is, and prove it. If your views are on solid ground, you should have no trouble defending them.
- blorginator 9y ago
  > If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? https://goo.gl/ceakLN https://goo.gl/ceakLN "relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part." Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. > Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions, including seeing and treating women as decoration. > Also, what about women telling women the same thing? What about them? Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. > Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously.
  - whitemale 9y ago
    > Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. The original comment used the wrong word. So what does this mean? are all white males part of this system that is designed to keep women down? > It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions Can you name those all kinds of actions? If I go today and tell a female to smile more, can you tell me what dark path will that lead to? I would be also keen on seeing solid proof that connects telling women to smile more to the tragedies that women have to endure on a daily basis. Also, is telling women to smile less the way to fix all these problems? > including seeing and treating women as decoration. Treating them as decoration where and how? Also, are you familiar with this thing called biology and evolution? Members of species of the opposite sex judge potential mates based on a appearance (among other things). Did you also stop to think that women might be equally or more judgemental about looks. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ylmg9zrEDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ylmg9zrEDo > Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. Or maybe it's just not really sexist. > People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously. What I meant is: protest against racism in areas where there is actual racism and don't just point the finger at anyone, you won't win people that way.

by cjslep 9y ago

whitemale 9y ago

> Systematic sexism systematic Done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical. Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? > thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? If these are the biggest problems we have, I would say we are in a really great place. Also, what about women telling women the same thing? > Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. > Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further So these were your best arguments? > as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time. I have no idea where you got that idea from, I was just raising genuine questions and counter points that most people with the same opinion as you are having trouble answering. You can't expect me to accept the existence of things like "Systematic sexism" if you can't define what it is, and prove it. If your views are on solid ground, you should have no trouble defending them.

blorginator 9y ago
> If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? https://goo.gl/ceakLN https://goo.gl/ceakLN "relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part." Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. > Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions, including seeing and treating women as decoration. > Also, what about women telling women the same thing? What about them? Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. > Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously.
- whitemale 9y ago
  > Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. The original comment used the wrong word. So what does this mean? are all white males part of this system that is designed to keep women down? > It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions Can you name those all kinds of actions? If I go today and tell a female to smile more, can you tell me what dark path will that lead to? I would be also keen on seeing solid proof that connects telling women to smile more to the tragedies that women have to endure on a daily basis. Also, is telling women to smile less the way to fix all these problems? > including seeing and treating women as decoration. Treating them as decoration where and how? Also, are you familiar with this thing called biology and evolution? Members of species of the opposite sex judge potential mates based on a appearance (among other things). Did you also stop to think that women might be equally or more judgemental about looks. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ylmg9zrEDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ylmg9zrEDo > Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. Or maybe it's just not really sexist. > People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously. What I meant is: protest against racism in areas where there is actual racism and don't just point the finger at anyone, you won't win people that way.