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> I would rather make more money in a stupid corporate job than working on more aggressive ways of making people to click on ads. Could you name a few "stupid

> I would rather make more money in a stupid corporate job than working on more aggressive ways of making people to click on ads. Could you name a few "stupid corporate jobs" that pay better than Google or Facebook (200k - 300k for a senior engineer) ?

holydude 9y ago
Are you sure the majority of senior engineers earns 200 - 300k ?
- keville 9y ago
  That's probably a reasonable estimate (including stock compensation) for the companies mentioned.
- gniv 9y ago
  See for example: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Senior-Software-Engineer-New-York-City-Salaries-EJI_IE9079.0,6_KO7,31_IL.32,45_IM615.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Senior-Software-Engi...
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  I'd ballpark the average range for senior engineers at Google at being around 250-300k in the US. Staff engineers (one step above senior) will make significantly more than that, although not everyone reaches that level.
zzalpha 9y ago
That depends, are you factoring cost of living into your calculations? 200-300k is sounds like a basic living wage in the bay area these days... What's the point earning that kind of cash if it's gonna be chewed up by housing and transportation?
- UncleMeat 9y ago
  How on earth can you think that 300k is a basic living wage in the bay. Even with insane housing prices, this is like 10x the national median wage. Knock out 1/3 for taxes and you are left with 200k per year. How are you spending the 190k per year on rent and transportation that would be needed to knock you down to typical post-expenses income levels?
  - zzalpha 9y ago
    Assume a family and a couple of kids, health care, child care, and transportation and according to this: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-expensive-is-san-francisco-2015-9/#the-estimated-cost-of-annual-necessities-for-a-single-person-is-43581--or-3632-a-month-making-it-the-most-expensive-city-for-single-people-to-settle-down-in-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/how-expensive-is-san-francisc... You're already at 91,000 for basic expenses. That puts 200k right around the mark for a livable wage and 300k pretty comfortable (and also at the high end of a senior dev wage by a fair margin).
    - BoiledCabbage 9y ago
      > That puts 200k right around the mark for a livable wage To begin with, when discussing wages most people are assuming for a single person taking care of his or herself. The wage needed to support a fully family including enough for a stay-at-home parent would be significantly higher. Even with all of that a family of 4 with only a single adult working is estimated a living wage in SF area is deemed to be 70k.[1] Not 200k. I'm assuming you're meaning "livable wage" to be different than "living wage". Even if we were to going with the businessinsider data, which says 90k for expenses for a family, you're claiming that a family would need to spend almost 10k in discretionary spending every month for a "livable wage"? Remember all required expenses have been paid for, this would just be for discretionary. If you've already paid for "housing, food, childcare, transportation, healthcare, taxes and other necessities, and taxes" and are still going through an additional 10k/month, you're beyond a "livable wage". [1]. http://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/41860 http://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/41860
      - 9y ago
jerrylives 9y ago
It's almost like there are other things in life besides money
deong 9y ago
I make roughly 85% of that 200k figure (give-or-take, depending on stock option values), and my house cost $90 per square foot. If you're a good senior level engineer, you can make good money in far more than five or six companies in the world.
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  200k is mid-level at Google. Senior engineers make significantly more, and staff engineers make a LOT more. Now if you want a big house, then most of the cities that Google is in are terrible for that. But there's more to life than having a big house, and the expensive metros have their own pros. It's pretty hard to beat Silicon Valley weather, and for what amounts to a giant suburb the restaurant scene is quite good (especially for Asian food).
  - deong 9y ago
    Well sure. I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm just responding to a comment vaguely asserting that you can't make Google money in a boring corporate job. He wasn't arguing that the city was nicer. He just said, basically, "where else are you doing to get 200-300k". Well, if what you care about is how much of that you get to keep, lots of places.
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  200k is mid-level at Google. Senior engineers make significantly more, and staff engineers make a LOT more. Now if you want a big house, then most of the cities that Google is in are terrible for that. But there's more to life than having a big house, and the expensive metros have their own pros. It's pretty hard to beat Silicon Valley weather, and for what amounts to a giant suburb the restaurant scene is quite good (especially for Asian food).
rdiddly 9y ago
All you're doing is repeating the cult's mantra there. They'd better pay that much if they're going to depend so heavily on dehumanizing you. It does take a lot of preparation for big-company clueless interviewing processes though. Next we'll see guides for how to ace your kid's application to the top-tier coding preschool. All this sucking up to big companies with questionable morals and procedures, for the money, is so... 80s. So yuppie, so Reagan-era. Reachin' for the top! Go for it! Eye of the tiger! Pressure, pushing down on you, pushing down on me, no man ask for.

holydude 9y ago

Are you sure the majority of senior engineers earns 200 - 300k ?

keville 9y ago
That's probably a reasonable estimate (including stock compensation) for the companies mentioned.
gniv 9y ago
See for example: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Senior-Software-Engineer-New-York-City-Salaries-EJI_IE9079.0,6_KO7,31_IL.32,45_IM615.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Google-Senior-Software-Engi...
TulliusCicero 9y ago
I'd ballpark the average range for senior engineers at Google at being around 250-300k in the US. Staff engineers (one step above senior) will make significantly more than that, although not everyone reaches that level.

zzalpha 9y ago

That depends, are you factoring cost of living into your calculations? 200-300k is sounds like a basic living wage in the bay area these days... What's the point earning that kind of cash if it's gonna be chewed up by housing and transportation?

UncleMeat 9y ago
How on earth can you think that 300k is a basic living wage in the bay. Even with insane housing prices, this is like 10x the national median wage. Knock out 1/3 for taxes and you are left with 200k per year. How are you spending the 190k per year on rent and transportation that would be needed to knock you down to typical post-expenses income levels?
- zzalpha 9y ago
  Assume a family and a couple of kids, health care, child care, and transportation and according to this: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-expensive-is-san-francisco-2015-9/#the-estimated-cost-of-annual-necessities-for-a-single-person-is-43581--or-3632-a-month-making-it-the-most-expensive-city-for-single-people-to-settle-down-in-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/how-expensive-is-san-francisc... You're already at 91,000 for basic expenses. That puts 200k right around the mark for a livable wage and 300k pretty comfortable (and also at the high end of a senior dev wage by a fair margin).
  - BoiledCabbage 9y ago
    > That puts 200k right around the mark for a livable wage To begin with, when discussing wages most people are assuming for a single person taking care of his or herself. The wage needed to support a fully family including enough for a stay-at-home parent would be significantly higher. Even with all of that a family of 4 with only a single adult working is estimated a living wage in SF area is deemed to be 70k.[1] Not 200k. I'm assuming you're meaning "livable wage" to be different than "living wage". Even if we were to going with the businessinsider data, which says 90k for expenses for a family, you're claiming that a family would need to spend almost 10k in discretionary spending every month for a "livable wage"? Remember all required expenses have been paid for, this would just be for discretionary. If you've already paid for "housing, food, childcare, transportation, healthcare, taxes and other necessities, and taxes" and are still going through an additional 10k/month, you're beyond a "livable wage". [1]. http://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/41860 http://livingwage.mit.edu/metros/41860
    - 9y ago

jerrylives 9y ago

It's almost like there are other things in life besides money

deong 9y ago

I make roughly 85% of that 200k figure (give-or-take, depending on stock option values), and my house cost $90 per square foot. If you're a good senior level engineer, you can make good money in far more than five or six companies in the world.

TulliusCicero 9y ago
200k is mid-level at Google. Senior engineers make significantly more, and staff engineers make a LOT more. Now if you want a big house, then most of the cities that Google is in are terrible for that. But there's more to life than having a big house, and the expensive metros have their own pros. It's pretty hard to beat Silicon Valley weather, and for what amounts to a giant suburb the restaurant scene is quite good (especially for Asian food).
- deong 9y ago
  Well sure. I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm just responding to a comment vaguely asserting that you can't make Google money in a boring corporate job. He wasn't arguing that the city was nicer. He just said, basically, "where else are you doing to get 200-300k". Well, if what you care about is how much of that you get to keep, lots of places.
TulliusCicero 9y ago
200k is mid-level at Google. Senior engineers make significantly more, and staff engineers make a LOT more. Now if you want a big house, then most of the cities that Google is in are terrible for that. But there's more to life than having a big house, and the expensive metros have their own pros. It's pretty hard to beat Silicon Valley weather, and for what amounts to a giant suburb the restaurant scene is quite good (especially for Asian food).

rdiddly 9y ago

All you're doing is repeating the cult's mantra there. They'd better pay that much if they're going to depend so heavily on dehumanizing you. It does take a lot of preparation for big-company clueless interviewing processes though. Next we'll see guides for how to ace your kid's application to the top-tier coding preschool. All this sucking up to big companies with questionable morals and procedures, for the money, is so... 80s. So yuppie, so Reagan-era. Reachin' for the top! Go for it! Eye of the tiger! Pressure, pushing down on you, pushing down on me, no man ask for.