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Turns out the vast majority of people don't want to spend their lives in a permanent "safe space"[0]. That was a fast flameout [0] https://techcrunch.com/2017/
by seibelj 9y ago
Turns out the vast majority of people don't want to spend their lives in a permanent "safe space"[0]. That was a fast flameout
[0] https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/25/a-chat-with-imzy-co-founder-jessica-moreno-on-building-a-kinder-online-community/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/25/a-chat-with-imzy-co-founde...
- geofft 9y agoThat's a pretty funny comment to make on Hacker News, which is regularly accused of being a hivemind and downvoting comments / censoring stories that challenge its ideologies.
- seibelj 9y agoWasn't this a real-world, put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is bet that people wanted a heavily moderated forum for communication?
- geofft 9y agoYes, but it's not at all clear to me that it failed because that bet failed. It's not at all clear to me why it failed, period -- the post says that they "were not able to find our place in the market", which could mean lots of things, e.g., that there were lots of users but no obvious monetization strategy. In general, "Startup X failed" is extremely weak evidence for "People don't want the product that startup X was building." Take Rdio for example: given the success of Spotify, Amazon Music, and others, it would be absolutely incorrect to conclude from Rdio's failure that people didn't want on-demand music in their browser or a mobile app for a fixed fee.
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- dredmorbius 9y agoThe comment being ironic-in-context doesn't make it any the less true.
- geofft 9y agoIt absolutely does -- Hacker News is popular, so it serves as a counterexample to the implication that a "safe space" website is doomed to being unpopular.
- kristianc 9y agoI don't see what's massively objectionable about wanting to build a community based on tolerance, kindness and mutual respect.
- geofft 9y agoIt's an existential threat for people who want to be intolerant, unkind, and disrespectful, because it makes it clear that spaces that don't accept such behavior end up being at least as productive and as useful for the world as spaces that do. Therefore it's extremely important for such people to establish the world as a a safe space against safe spaces, and to push the idea that such spaces are untenable or morally bad or whatever will avoid more of those spaces existing.
- seibelj 9y agoAlternatively, you can close your eyes, cover your ears, turn off the radio, change the channel, close the browser, do literally anything else. Some people are anti-censorship in all its forms, but you have a nice straw man going there. Freedom of speech, freedom of thought
- LordKano 9y agoI make an effort to not be intolerant but I have found myself being attacked for holding beliefs and political positions that are "outside of the mainstream" and there are people who can not tolerate that. I like that they made the attempt to build this but I would have never joined it because I could see myself getting into conflicts because of my beliefs.
- kristianc 9y agoWould you join a Subreddit which reinforces these political beliefs and is that not a safe space in itself? It seems to me that everywhere on the internet that you might class as a 'haven of free speech' (whether it's 4chan, Twitter, Mumsnet or Atheists Rationalist Skeptics Anonymous) comes with an underlying set of social norms which to some extent preconfigure the kind of debate that will happen there. Imzy is just another one of those, no?
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