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I am kinda surprised that Microsoft doesn't use tfs - after all, it's their own version control system. But then again, we use tfs at work and not a day goes by

by Kenji 9y ago

I am kinda surprised that Microsoft doesn't use tfs - after all, it's their own version control system. But then again, we use tfs at work and not a day goes by on which I do not long for git.

UK-AL 9y ago
All the modern development on VSTS is focused on git as well.
taylorlafrinere 9y ago
And, just to be clear, git is a first-class citizen in VSTS/TFS. We've fully embraced git as THE DVCS solution within VSTS/TFS. It is seen as a companion to TFVC.
maxxxxx 9y ago
Here is my cynical view: From what I know they have a history of not using their own tools. They didn't use SourceSafe, but Perforce. Then they made an effort to switch to TFS, realized that it sucks and moved on to git. You can see the same pattern in Windows desktop apps. They didn't use MFC for themselves, didn't use Winforms, used WPF only a little.
- smilekzs 9y ago
  UWP everywhere now though.
  - maxxxxx 9y ago
    Is that true? Which larger app is written in UWP? Something like Office, Skype or Visual Studio.
    - contextfree 9y ago
      Windows itself is gradually rewriting its shell components in UWP XAML.
    - smilekzs 9y ago
      There is a watered-down version of Office in UWP. The built-in OneNote is actually this UWP. It uses a different stylus filtering algorithm from the desktop version, which is why I don't use it myself, but rest assured it works just fine.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
    - WorldMaker 9y ago
      The preferred Windows client for Skype has been UWP for a while now (though up until recently it was still often referred to as "Skype Preview").
- eyq1 9y ago
  If they didn't use MFC, WinForms and WPF what exactly were they using? Flash?
  - maxxxxx 9y ago
    Win32
    - Flow 9y ago
      And WTL, Windows Template Library. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Template_Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Template_Library
      - maxxxxx 9y ago
        WTL is way old.
        Flow 9y ago
        Yes, but it's far newer than Win32 and MFC. There's also ATL, Active Template Library.
- vtbassmatt 9y ago
  To be somewhat less cynical, VSS and TFVC were not intended to scale to the size of Windows's codebase, thus they weren't used. And instead of inventing our own thing this time around, we went with (and make contributions back to) the de facto standard. When I was in Xbox, we had a lot of things in TFVC: all the services code, most of the console and Windows apps, and many of the tools. Only the Windows-related bits were in SD.
kyberias 9y ago
Why don't you install the 2013/2015 version of TFS and use git? It's included and fully supported.

by Kenji 9y ago

I am kinda surprised that Microsoft doesn't use tfs - after all, it's their own version control system. But then again, we use tfs at work and not a day goes by on which I do not long for git.

UK-AL 9y ago

All the modern development on VSTS is focused on git as well.

taylorlafrinere 9y ago

And, just to be clear, git is a first-class citizen in VSTS/TFS. We've fully embraced git as THE DVCS solution within VSTS/TFS. It is seen as a companion to TFVC.

maxxxxx 9y ago

Here is my cynical view: From what I know they have a history of not using their own tools. They didn't use SourceSafe, but Perforce. Then they made an effort to switch to TFS, realized that it sucks and moved on to git. You can see the same pattern in Windows desktop apps. They didn't use MFC for themselves, didn't use Winforms, used WPF only a little.

smilekzs 9y ago
UWP everywhere now though.
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  Is that true? Which larger app is written in UWP? Something like Office, Skype or Visual Studio.
  - contextfree 9y ago
    Windows itself is gradually rewriting its shell components in UWP XAML.
  - smilekzs 9y ago
    There is a watered-down version of Office in UWP. The built-in OneNote is actually this UWP. It uses a different stylus filtering algorithm from the desktop version, which is why I don't use it myself, but rest assured it works just fine.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - WorldMaker 9y ago
    The preferred Windows client for Skype has been UWP for a while now (though up until recently it was still often referred to as "Skype Preview").
eyq1 9y ago
If they didn't use MFC, WinForms and WPF what exactly were they using? Flash?
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  Win32
  - Flow 9y ago
    And WTL, Windows Template Library. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Template_Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Template_Library
    - maxxxxx 9y ago
      WTL is way old.
      - Flow 9y ago
        Yes, but it's far newer than Win32 and MFC. There's also ATL, Active Template Library.
vtbassmatt 9y ago
To be somewhat less cynical, VSS and TFVC were not intended to scale to the size of Windows's codebase, thus they weren't used. And instead of inventing our own thing this time around, we went with (and make contributions back to) the de facto standard. When I was in Xbox, we had a lot of things in TFVC: all the services code, most of the console and Windows apps, and many of the tools. Only the Windows-related bits were in SD.

kyberias 9y ago

Why don't you install the 2013/2015 version of TFS and use git? It's included and fully supported.