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Obviously not, but a lot of them reflect back on it and think, 'I was so close, why didn't I try just slightly harder?' Because (in the hypothetical case of Sc

Obviously not, but a lot of them reflect back on it and think, 'I was so close, why didn't I try just slightly harder?' Because (in the hypothetical case of Scouting) those were goals that someone else picked for you. To the extent someone convinces you to jump through various hoops to win their approval, that person is controlling you. And yes, it might even be for your own good. But more than likely, it's for the hoop-holder's benefit.

sophacles 16y ago
In this case, the hoop holder is a group dedicated to preparing teens for adulthood. I think the hoops are not designed benefit the BSA -- seriously, they don't get much from forcing a 16 year old to weave a basket or shoot archery. I think instead those silly hoops my be meant to emulate something else. Lets take a dirgression: I have a friend who owns a bike shop. He absolutely loves fixing bikes, setting up bikes, and helping people get into biking. It is a passion and he does good at that stuff. He absolutely hates inventory, book balancing and changing flat tires (well all menial bike maintenance tasks). Those maintenance tasks are a big part of the regular revenue stream, and the other things are just necessary for business. He can't afford to hire someone to do the stuff he doesn't like, it would cut too much into his profits and he would have to take a second job to live. Those can probably be argued as hoops he chose for himself, here are some he didn't: rent, sales tax accounting, business licensing, fire code compliance, insurance rules, and so on. Had my friend taken your advice and not learned how to jump through hoops (and fucked the man in the process!) he would be fixing bikes at a loss. Perhaps the overall goal and fun level in becoming an eagle scout is enough that putting up with the hoop jumping is worth it? Maybe that thing they are emulating is "real life" where sometimes you just gotta do crappy stuff before you can do the thing you really want.

sophacles 16y ago

In this case, the hoop holder is a group dedicated to preparing teens for adulthood. I think the hoops are not designed benefit the BSA -- seriously, they don't get much from forcing a 16 year old to weave a basket or shoot archery. I think instead those silly hoops my be meant to emulate something else. Lets take a dirgression: I have a friend who owns a bike shop. He absolutely loves fixing bikes, setting up bikes, and helping people get into biking. It is a passion and he does good at that stuff. He absolutely hates inventory, book balancing and changing flat tires (well all menial bike maintenance tasks). Those maintenance tasks are a big part of the regular revenue stream, and the other things are just necessary for business. He can't afford to hire someone to do the stuff he doesn't like, it would cut too much into his profits and he would have to take a second job to live. Those can probably be argued as hoops he chose for himself, here are some he didn't: rent, sales tax accounting, business licensing, fire code compliance, insurance rules, and so on. Had my friend taken your advice and not learned how to jump through hoops (and fucked the man in the process!) he would be fixing bikes at a loss. Perhaps the overall goal and fun level in becoming an eagle scout is enough that putting up with the hoop jumping is worth it? Maybe that thing they are emulating is "real life" where sometimes you just gotta do crappy stuff before you can do the thing you really want.