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Using an IRC client for XMPP guarantees a sub-par experience. I've been doing that for years with bitlbee (how do you join a MUC again?) and later with irssi-xm

by ge0rg 9y ago

Using an IRC client for XMPP guarantees a sub-par experience. I've been doing that for years with bitlbee (how do you join a MUC again?) and later with irssi-xmpp (whoops, Segmentation fault), but IRC has much fewer features than XMPP, so it really doesn't make sense. My favorite XMPP feature is Message Delivery Receipts ([0], the nice little green checkmarks that you have in modern XMPP clients, similar to WhatsApp), that just aren't supported in the IRC protocol. Other gotchas are chat state notifications ([1] "user is typing"), last message correction ([2]) and multiple client resources. It does make sense to use an XMPP client for IRC, though, as most of the IRC features can be easily mapped onto XMPP. I'm using yaxim and poezio to chat with folks on IRC, via biboumi. [0] https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html [1] https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html [2] https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0308.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0308.html

wcummings 9y ago
IME read receipts and "typing" updates are widely reviled for making online chat more awkward. I know heaps of people who go out of their way to disable receipts and status notifications in their chat apps (iMessage etc). I've even been criticized for not having them disabled in iMessage.
- ge0rg 9y ago
  I tend to agree for privacy reasons, but message delivery receipts are really useful, especially when the other party is using a mobile connection.
_e 9y ago
Thank you for alerting me to Yaxim. Yaxim looks like default bitchx. Yaxim's docs show that you can theme it [0] but I wish they had a repo of existing themes. Compare jIRCii default theme vs jIRCii+analog theme [1]. If an application is going to occupy prime real estate on my desktop for a good portion of time then I want it to look nice. [0] https://doc.poez.io/themes.html https://doc.poez.io/themes.html [1] http://jircii.dashnine.org/media http://jircii.dashnine.org/media

by ge0rg 9y ago

wcummings 9y ago

IME read receipts and "typing" updates are widely reviled for making online chat more awkward. I know heaps of people who go out of their way to disable receipts and status notifications in their chat apps (iMessage etc). I've even been criticized for not having them disabled in iMessage.

ge0rg 9y ago
I tend to agree for privacy reasons, but message delivery receipts are really useful, especially when the other party is using a mobile connection.

_e 9y ago

Thank you for alerting me to Yaxim. Yaxim looks like default bitchx. Yaxim's docs show that you can theme it [0] but I wish they had a repo of existing themes. Compare jIRCii default theme vs jIRCii+analog theme [1]. If an application is going to occupy prime real estate on my desktop for a good portion of time then I want it to look nice. [0] https://doc.poez.io/themes.html https://doc.poez.io/themes.html [1] http://jircii.dashnine.org/media http://jircii.dashnine.org/media