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What is needed is for nations in Europe to take less unaccompanied adults and have an education system more focused on assimilating the young ones into the loca

What is needed is for nations in Europe to take less unaccompanied adults and have an education system more focused on assimilating the young ones into the local culture, not opening the local culture to the same cultures those people are supposedly escaping from.

mmjaa 9y ago
What is needed is for Europeans to confront the facts of their own murderous campaigns. We cry about terrorism, but never about the bombs being dropped, every twenty minutes, on far more civilians - in our name.
- ManlyBread 9y ago
  You're saying this as if the people who died yesterday have anything to do with the war games that politicians play.
  - klez 9y ago
    I think he's saying that governments should be partly blamed by those who blame these attacks on immigration. If those governments didn't bring war to those places, maybe less people would be prone to follow the message "attack those who attacked us first", lowering the feasibility of mass murders.
  - mmjaa 9y ago
    Citizens are responsible for their politicians, who derive their power from the society they govern. If we weren't so ignorant about their actions, politicians wouldn't be getting away with murder every single day. This disconnect between citizen responsibility and political culpability is the problem. We cannot butter our bread on both sides: either we live in a society where our armed forces are governed by our democracies, or we don't.
    - ManlyBread 9y ago
      I'd say it's not that citizens are ignorant, it's that they're powerless. The only way an average citizen can shape the political reality around himself is by voting. What else can one do? Protest on the streets? Organize a riot? Good luck with that.
mschuster91 9y ago
What in blazes are you talking about? The perpetrator in question was born and raised in UK. This has NOTHING to do with "unaccompanied adults". Also, "assimilating the young ones into the local culture"... I am not sure what openly racist stuff like your post has deserved being on HN - I'd say /r/The_Donald is a better place.
- daemin 9y ago
  As the old saying goes "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Why should people not assimilate into the local culture of where they are fleeing to? Or at least discard elements of their previous culture which are incompatible with where they are now? Especially if the place they came from was so bad that they had to leave? If they cannot or do not want to assimilate to the new culture, or discard incompatible practices in their new location, then they are always free to return. It's not racist to call out faults with cultures and ideologies, no culture is perfect, but some cultures are objectively better than others. Note that culture is not the same as religion, and it's not the same thing as race.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    Why should they change at all? What does it even mean to be 'incompatible'? Who's the arbiter? Why is your culture the 'objectively better' one? Lets just call it what it is - intolerance. "Why can't those foreigners just behave like I want them to! They make me uncomfortable" is what small-minded folk all over the world say about immigrants. Have said, for centuries.
    - daemin 9y ago
      What I'm talking about is cultural things like slavery, honour killings, child sexual exploitation, blasphemy killings, making homosexual relations illegal. I would hope that we can agree that these are things which are unacceptable or at least unpalatable in the modern world. Therefore cultures where this is acceptable and normal practice are objectively worse than in cultures where it is unacceptable. So when people move from cultures where these things are practised to where they are not, they should either drop them, or move back.

mmjaa 9y ago

What is needed is for Europeans to confront the facts of their own murderous campaigns. We cry about terrorism, but never about the bombs being dropped, every twenty minutes, on far more civilians - in our name.

ManlyBread 9y ago
You're saying this as if the people who died yesterday have anything to do with the war games that politicians play.
- klez 9y ago
  I think he's saying that governments should be partly blamed by those who blame these attacks on immigration. If those governments didn't bring war to those places, maybe less people would be prone to follow the message "attack those who attacked us first", lowering the feasibility of mass murders.
- mmjaa 9y ago
  Citizens are responsible for their politicians, who derive their power from the society they govern. If we weren't so ignorant about their actions, politicians wouldn't be getting away with murder every single day. This disconnect between citizen responsibility and political culpability is the problem. We cannot butter our bread on both sides: either we live in a society where our armed forces are governed by our democracies, or we don't.
  - ManlyBread 9y ago
    I'd say it's not that citizens are ignorant, it's that they're powerless. The only way an average citizen can shape the political reality around himself is by voting. What else can one do? Protest on the streets? Organize a riot? Good luck with that.

mschuster91 9y ago

What in blazes are you talking about? The perpetrator in question was born and raised in UK. This has NOTHING to do with "unaccompanied adults". Also, "assimilating the young ones into the local culture"... I am not sure what openly racist stuff like your post has deserved being on HN - I'd say /r/The_Donald is a better place.

daemin 9y ago
As the old saying goes "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Why should people not assimilate into the local culture of where they are fleeing to? Or at least discard elements of their previous culture which are incompatible with where they are now? Especially if the place they came from was so bad that they had to leave? If they cannot or do not want to assimilate to the new culture, or discard incompatible practices in their new location, then they are always free to return. It's not racist to call out faults with cultures and ideologies, no culture is perfect, but some cultures are objectively better than others. Note that culture is not the same as religion, and it's not the same thing as race.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  Why should they change at all? What does it even mean to be 'incompatible'? Who's the arbiter? Why is your culture the 'objectively better' one? Lets just call it what it is - intolerance. "Why can't those foreigners just behave like I want them to! They make me uncomfortable" is what small-minded folk all over the world say about immigrants. Have said, for centuries.
  - daemin 9y ago
    What I'm talking about is cultural things like slavery, honour killings, child sexual exploitation, blasphemy killings, making homosexual relations illegal. I would hope that we can agree that these are things which are unacceptable or at least unpalatable in the modern world. Therefore cultures where this is acceptable and normal practice are objectively worse than in cultures where it is unacceptable. So when people move from cultures where these things are practised to where they are not, they should either drop them, or move back.