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> Back then when people still knew what patches were, the whole post of the OP would have been a one liner: [x] send patches or stfu The person who says tha

> Back then when people still knew what patches were, the whole post of the OP would have been a one liner: [x] send patches or stfu The person who says that is either an idiot or doesn't care about the product. There's really no third option. It's fine if you made something once that you no longer care about and want to abandon. Really! I understand that free software isn't free! Someone has to make it, and that takes time and effort and energy, and maybe you don't want to give that anymore! That's OK! But don't for a second think that it's reasonable to give a song and dance about pretending to still care while demanding pull requests for every bug. Mark the project abandoned, and go do something else without stringing people along. Otherwise you're being a prick to your users for no reason. Non-technical users discover bugs that you didn't catch all the time. If the developer/maintainer gives half a shit, they'll listen to those users.

Etheryte 9y ago
I think you're trying to paint this too black and white. It's perfectly reasonable to be interested in supporting only the proactive user base of your project – that way both parties give and gain something.
- BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
  > It's perfectly reasonable to be interested in supporting only the proactive user base If you only care about the bugs that someone else fixes for you, then you don't actually care. They do, and you're just pretending. It's perfectly reasonable to stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALALA" instead of listening to reports about bugs in your product the moment you stop giving a shit about it having bugs. A competent person who actually gives a shit isn't willing to put their head in the sand like that.
  - jasode 9y ago
    >If you only care about the bugs that someone else fixes for you, then you don't actually care. You're mischaracterizing the author's post. Notice that the author specifically wrote: + "Fork the repo, add a failing test." + "Add an example in the repo that illustrates the bug." Neither of those requests is "fixing" the bug for the author. Maybe those tasks in your opinion is asking too much of users -- and that's fine to feel that way -- but it's obviously false to say that submitting bug reproductions actually fixes the bug. It certainly doesn't.
johnchristopher 9y ago
FWIW `[x] send patches or stfu` is as much black and white.
rjmill 9y ago
>doesn't care about the product Not everything has to be a "product." Sometimes developers toss their projects up on Github just to get it out there. They don't necessarily want to make it a "product." There are plenty of valid reasons to open source something besides just, "I want a bunch of people to use my product so I can become famous." Word choice aside, I don't think the author is trying to say, "send patches or stfu." I read it as the author pointing out the shortcomings of standard "issues", and exploring alternatives that might encourage closer collaboration.
jlg23 9y ago
> The person who says that is either an idiot or doesn't care about the product. There's really no third option. Obviously an idiot. > It's fine if you [...] want to abandon [a project]. Really! I understand that. The idiot does not understand: It is NOT ok to reduce interaction with endusers when it becomes too tiresome. It is NOT ok to demand patches instead of bug reports. It IS ok to just completely abandon a project though, i.e. not even accept patches? Bwahahahaha.... (that is a good laugh born out of an idiot's blissful ignorance). PS: The only "prick" in the discussion is the one who feels entitled to something and who calls people names because they don't deliver for free what her/his majesty wants.

Etheryte 9y ago

I think you're trying to paint this too black and white. It's perfectly reasonable to be interested in supporting only the proactive user base of your project – that way both parties give and gain something.

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
> It's perfectly reasonable to be interested in supporting only the proactive user base If you only care about the bugs that someone else fixes for you, then you don't actually care. They do, and you're just pretending. It's perfectly reasonable to stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALALA" instead of listening to reports about bugs in your product the moment you stop giving a shit about it having bugs. A competent person who actually gives a shit isn't willing to put their head in the sand like that.
- jasode 9y ago
  >If you only care about the bugs that someone else fixes for you, then you don't actually care. You're mischaracterizing the author's post. Notice that the author specifically wrote: + "Fork the repo, add a failing test." + "Add an example in the repo that illustrates the bug." Neither of those requests is "fixing" the bug for the author. Maybe those tasks in your opinion is asking too much of users -- and that's fine to feel that way -- but it's obviously false to say that submitting bug reproductions actually fixes the bug. It certainly doesn't.

johnchristopher 9y ago

FWIW `[x] send patches or stfu` is as much black and white.

rjmill 9y ago

>doesn't care about the product Not everything has to be a "product." Sometimes developers toss their projects up on Github just to get it out there. They don't necessarily want to make it a "product." There are plenty of valid reasons to open source something besides just, "I want a bunch of people to use my product so I can become famous." Word choice aside, I don't think the author is trying to say, "send patches or stfu." I read it as the author pointing out the shortcomings of standard "issues", and exploring alternatives that might encourage closer collaboration.

jlg23 9y ago

> The person who says that is either an idiot or doesn't care about the product. There's really no third option. Obviously an idiot. > It's fine if you [...] want to abandon [a project]. Really! I understand that. The idiot does not understand: It is NOT ok to reduce interaction with endusers when it becomes too tiresome. It is NOT ok to demand patches instead of bug reports. It IS ok to just completely abandon a project though, i.e. not even accept patches? Bwahahahaha.... (that is a good laugh born out of an idiot's blissful ignorance). PS: The only "prick" in the discussion is the one who feels entitled to something and who calls people names because they don't deliver for free what her/his majesty wants.