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> most adults are able to be disagreeable without using a slur, such as us The whole point of an insult is to get the other side angry, not necessarily for it

> most adults are able to be disagreeable without using a slur, such as us The whole point of an insult is to get the other side angry, not necessarily for it to have roots in reality. I do agree that it's not a good way to have an argument. If I want to insult you I'll look at what hurts you the most. Here is something that's not being called out as racist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ulvcqaiM8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ulvcqaiM8 > I would say sexism wouldn't exist if people could disagree on merits of discussion instead of any insults (which, by nature of personal attack, immediately invokes all *isms of the victim). Sexism exists because: - there are a few actually sexist males and females out there see: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marissa+mayer+gender+bias&oq=marissa+mayer+gender+bias https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marissa+mayer+gender+bias&... - biology is sexist and there is little we can do about that - sexism can be used as a great excuse for failing and it can be weaponized, you can threaten your boss that you'll call him sexist if you, the female don't get the promotion instead of the more qualified male What I don't believe exists is: systematic sexism, that I believe is made up to be the ultimate excuse for everything. > there's a huge difference between insulting someone because of their perceived character ("asshole") with little cultural baggage, and insulting someone for being literally in their own skin with a word that has huge cultural baggage There is no difference if your objective is to hurt the other person's feelings, you pick whichever is most effective. > Finally, I do agree that the lashing out against Trump supporters is bad. Just as it was bad that Obama supporters also had to put up with burning crosses in their frontyards when he was elected. Both sides can't see this sucks for everyone at different times for some reason and it's a stupid cycle. I mostly noticed this from Hilary supporters, it's not an eye for an eye thing: http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters > continued ignorance of believing we are in some post-race society Do we have slavery? No Is it acceptable to be openly racist? No What is your criteria for a 'post-race society'? What other checkboxes do we need to hit to get there?

cjslep 9y ago
Systematic sexism is tens of thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier, the opposite of which does not happen at a huge scale (but is also wrong). There is a difference between institutional isms (eg slavery, separate-but-equal) and systemic isms (eg private schools in The South, disproportionally higher rates of police brutality of minorities). Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time.
- whitemale 9y ago
  > Systematic sexism systematic Done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical. Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? > thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? If these are the biggest problems we have, I would say we are in a really great place. Also, what about women telling women the same thing? > Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. > Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further So these were your best arguments? > as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time. I have no idea where you got that idea from, I was just raising genuine questions and counter points that most people with the same opinion as you are having trouble answering. You can't expect me to accept the existence of things like "Systematic sexism" if you can't define what it is, and prove it. If your views are on solid ground, you should have no trouble defending them.
  - blorginator 9y ago
    > If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? https://goo.gl/ceakLN https://goo.gl/ceakLN "relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part." Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. > Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions, including seeing and treating women as decoration. > Also, what about women telling women the same thing? What about them? Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. > Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously.

cjslep 9y ago

Systematic sexism is tens of thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier, the opposite of which does not happen at a huge scale (but is also wrong). There is a difference between institutional isms (eg slavery, separate-but-equal) and systemic isms (eg private schools in The South, disproportionally higher rates of police brutality of minorities). Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time.

whitemale 9y ago
> Systematic sexism systematic Done or acting according to a fixed plan or system; methodical. Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/systematic If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? > thousands of men telling women to "smile more" at work to look prettier Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? If these are the biggest problems we have, I would say we are in a really great place. Also, what about women telling women the same thing? > Is it acceptable to be openly racist? Yes, in certain parts of America. My grandparents' county courthouse had a KKK rally to celebrate census results showing no minorities lived there. This was early 2000s. Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. > Also, I'm not going to keep discussing this with you mich further So these were your best arguments? > as all your responses are not conveying a genuine desire to discuss and consider arguments you disagree with, which is frankly a waste of both our time. I have no idea where you got that idea from, I was just raising genuine questions and counter points that most people with the same opinion as you are having trouble answering. You can't expect me to accept the existence of things like "Systematic sexism" if you can't define what it is, and prove it. If your views are on solid ground, you should have no trouble defending them.
- blorginator 9y ago
  > If this is systematic, then I guess you can tell me who is in charge of this plan or system? What is the goal of this plan or system and who does it benefit and how? https://goo.gl/ceakLN https://goo.gl/ceakLN "relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part." Systemic doesn't imply directed, it can also be used to mean it is deeply embedded in the system. > Is this the biggest issue in women's lives today? It is one common example of a pervasive mindset that informs all kinds of actions, including seeing and treating women as decoration. > Also, what about women telling women the same thing? What about them? Women can be sexist and perpetuate sexism too. > Do reports on it. Call them out and protest there instead of places where there is hardly any racism. Call out specific regions and people, don't just say that, well everybody's racist, because this will not get people on your side. People do. This isn't zero sum though - people can protest that and other issues that are ongoing simultaneously.